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Report: Apple Silicon iMac With Custom GPU to Launch in Second Half of 2021
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And even then it will still fall short of NVidia's current mid-range offerings. The capability gap between AMD and Nvidia is quite remarkable. One might hope that Apple might eventually be able to fit somewhere in the middle.
Surely it just needs to be faster than the Radeon Pro 5300 - a low-end card - to get it into the iMac line-up via the base model? Unless I'm missing something, just because Apple offer their own GPUs doesn't necessarily mean they have to immediately ditch all optional upgrades to the AMD line-up, lacklustre as they may be.
i‘d wager against that - although it obviously has to be at least 50% faster if it wants to replace the higher end iMacs. According to this rumor, it‘ll have a gpu that will beat the pathetic intel gpu which is about 10 times slower than the 5700xt . So I guess this is only about replacing the entry level imac. I wonder if they‘ll manage to squeeze out 15x more speed in another year or go e-gpu all the way.
I'm kinda stuck here.
Apple discontinued the Late 2012 and Late 2013 iMac at the same time with Big Sur.
However, even though the 2012 is listed as vintage, the 2013 is not. It makes me wonder why they dropped support for my 27-in Late 2013 already.
I'm not buying another iMac if it doesn't have a new design. I've had the same look in front of me for 11 years (had a 2009 iMac before). With technology enabling smaller bezels today, smaller form factor and more silent computer (thanks to A chips), it's better to wait for the change.
But will I really have to wait until late 2021 to upgrade? I hope this report is false. I remember when Steve Jobs said something about the iMac being the perfect candidate to begin a transition (back in the PowerPC to Intel days). I thought they'd have done the same today.
Apple discontinued the Late 2012 and Late 2013 iMac at the same time with Big Sur.
However, even though the 2012 is listed as vintage, the 2013 is not. It makes me wonder why they dropped support for my 27-in Late 2013 already.
I'm not buying another iMac if it doesn't have a new design. I've had the same look in front of me for 11 years (had a 2009 iMac before). With technology enabling smaller bezels today, smaller form factor and more silent computer (thanks to A chips), it's better to wait for the change.
But will I really have to wait until late 2021 to upgrade? I hope this report is false. I remember when Steve Jobs said something about the iMac being the perfect candidate to begin a transition (back in the PowerPC to Intel days). I thought they'd have done the same today.
As far as we know AS Big Sur does not support AMD gpus. So they will have to best each gpu offering by AMD.
The new generation coming from Nvida and AMD are going to set a very high bar. I am worried Apple is going to flat out ignore gaming that people are used to on Mac and instead lean heavily towards iOS type games.
we have zero proof of that plus if its not faster running content people want and expect its pointless.
So another year before an Apple Silicon iMac is released. Add another couple of years before I consider it safe to buy myself one ...
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Obviously I know as much as you do on this topic, but the current A12Z is no slouch on the GPU front. Considering we'll likely have some variation of the A14 for the iPad Pro or initial round of ARM Macs before the end of this year (let's call it "A14Z"), I still think we could see the smaller form facter/less high performing iMac have an ARM variant available before next year. Perhaps the larger/higher performing iMac and iMac Pro will certainly be on the latter half of the transition.
This also concerns me. These ARM Macs will likely have killer performance, but I'm worried we'll never see a lot of the AAA PC games ported to support Apple Silicon, meaning that GPU power will go unused. This is doubly concerning because Boot Camp will no longer be supported too.
Same here, I got a maxed out late 2013 iMac showing it's age.... however I don't wanna buy the same form factor again. First Silicon iMac also rather seems risky but can't wait another 2 years. My maxed out macbook 13 pro (2018) is even slightly faster, maybe I just buy a 16pro as an iMac replacement for the time being before taking a 2022 model.
Sold! Even if it's the first gens. Folks.. It's totally time to breakup with Intel and AMD. We need to get away from CPU's quickly to advance. The possibilities have a larger array of combinations that would allow us to get back to 128bit computing on personal computers. I get the jokes that people make about this.. The really funny thing is.. They will surpass x86 quit quickly in next generations to come. #EverythingGPU!
I'm personally not concerned about the same form factor - not a criticism of those who are. If it works for me then bring it on. I'm also on an end 2013 27" iMac and having increasing issues working in Logic, FCPX and Motion, so think I'll be getting the latest update. As and when the ARMs come along and are proven I'll re-assess at that point. Exciting times (albeit a little expensive potentially, gulp!)
But will it run Crysis (Remastered)?
I am in the exact same boat. My late 2013 iMac is still chugging along, but now that it has become my everyday work machine (working from home in the age of Covid) I could *really* use an upgrade. Waiting until 2H21 would be... ugh.
Cannot bring myself to purchase another iMac with the same design. If they had a new-design Intel iMac I'd *consider* it, but I really want Apple Silicon for whatever reason. Please Apple, 1H21 for new iMac.
wish equal performance as geforce 3080 ti - but of course reality is will not
anyway cant wait for real world benchmarks
anyway cant wait for real world benchmarks
I’m guessing there might be some translation issues. After the sentence you quote it’s pretty apparent that they’re actually talking about a discrete (separate from the SoC) GPU chip to be used instead of AMD for iMac, and also 16” MBP too I suppose. At least that’s how I read it.
They’ll need something around what, maybe 50W max for GPU for 27” iMac-class graphic performance? (Just a guess.)
The A14X should be more than sufficient for the smaller 21.5” iMac and a MacBook/MacBook Air class GPU, shouldn’t it?
Not sure why real pro users wouldn’t have dumped Apple years ago?
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And will therefore be slow compared to ampere and big Navi.
And the new iMac Pro will run solitaire and minesweeper at an eye watering 24 FPS. Magical.
I don’t need crazy powerful GPU performance for my everyday desk-based iMac (using a late 2012 21.5”), but I don’t see Apple struggling to surpass Intel’s integrated offering, nor that of Nvidia or AMD, at least on the lower to mid-range. We’ve already seen what the A12X and Z are capable of in the iPad Pros and it doesn’t take much to assume they’ve been working on support for bigger screens for at least the past year.
It’s certainly not fair to Apple to suggest they’ll only be capable of making a low-end GPU. They’ve pushed so far ahead in chip development in general, whatever they launch should be a significant benefit to everyone.
It’s certainly not fair to Apple to suggest they’ll only be capable of making a low-end GPU. They’ve pushed so far ahead in chip development in general, whatever they launch should be a significant benefit to everyone.