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Apple releasing AI features they promised 2 years ago is not them "popping". They could even release features on par with their competitors and I still wouldn't consider that "popping".
 
How can you fairly judge Siri if you haven't been using it? Siri has been fantastic at what she was designed to do. An LLM-powered Siri she is not... yet. That's coming and it's going to rock the world.

Fantastic? Pardon?

I have it enabled for CarPlay and it's mediocre, at best.

I think the bubble that will burst is the weird circular investment that is going on for example NVidia invest in OpenAI who buy compute power from Oracle who buy chips from NVidia. That is a recipe for disaster with NVidia possibly being the first to suffer.
Investment in AI abilities will continue with investment in some of the startups dropping off until the big players actually find a way to get a return on the investment. Once that happens you’ll see the next gen of AI companies coming up.

100%. They (Nvidia) was defending themselves the other day saying they "aren't Enron". Investors see what is going on and are asking a lot of questions.

NVidia and OpenAI, at the moment:

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That's an optimistic take. You clearly did not notice they promised the AI moon with Sequoia and conspicuously failed to deliver anything of value. "Next release for sure!" for a year? Bullwinkle had more luck pulling a rabbit from his hat.

The only "artificial intelligence strategy" I've seen is flopping and flailing with a bit of outsourcing now, or at least rumors of outsourcing it. At this point a viable "artificial intelligence strategy" is to admit failure and make the outsourced AI client an optional download. Trade all the data on your machine for the AI greatness of "to-be-determined" or keep your data private and out of the corporate training set and keep doing what you know works.

I've been developing apps on Apple platforms since 2013, so yeah I totally noticed. They went from Vision Pro to AI at break neck speed. Like I said in my post, I believe this was the mistake. They got hyped, just like everyone else, and when push came to shove saw they couldn't do it in an 'Apple way'.

No one is profitable at AI, AI is generating slop, the proliferation of 'agents' shows that you can't just train larger and larger models. Instead of Apple doubling down on a tech they knew wouldn't be either economically effective or deliver after the hype, they pulled back. They're smart to pay for an API as opposed to investing billions into their own stack at this point.

Apple isn't like that anymore, though. "Think different" now means finding a creative way to squeeze another half cent out of each unit.

I agree but the ecosystem does have a polish to it you can't find anywhere else. Like I can't see how LLMs use your person data now (varied levels of access, sometimes mistakes writing, not keeping context across things, like even Claude projects, etc.) I think they'll want like an AirPlay level of integration - Siri will know what you've worked on in Pages, how you talk about it in Messages, etc.
 
How can you fairly judge Siri if you haven't been using it? Siri has been fantastic at what she was designed to do. An LLM-powered Siri she is not... yet. That's coming and it's going to rock the world.

I know how LLMs work. I used Siri for a long time before turning it off. I am not interested in either. I don't need a 70% correct half wit to argue with. I need determinism. That's what I am using a damn machine for - to do the things humans aren't good at: repeatable, controlled determinism.
 
I think it’s more productive to look at it from the point of view of internal politics. As I understand it, many execs and Frederighi especially, were skeptical about the prospects of AI. I believe their approach was going to be to wait it out and see.

But then Wall Street balked and they found themselves forced at the last minute to come up with an implementation of AI in their products.

Of course this was rushed so they failed to deliver, and few months later AI optimism was already declining so they probably decided that it’s best to take a tempered approach, essentially what they had at first decided to do.

So if anything they were probably right at the start but because investors are mindless locusts they were forced to do this half assed implementation and an early announcement of what was vapor ware as they did not really have this in their roadmap.
I think this is the correct way of looking at it.
If it reminds me of anything, it’s how Apple, in 2010, tried to respond to the social media boom of the 2000s by releasing Game Center and Ping in short succession… neither which really went anywhere.
Apple then realized that maybe social media platforms aren’t their strong suit.
The same thing as happening here. They tried to respond to a boom of a new type of Internet service, they didn’t do a particularly good job, but it ended up not mattering in the long run because (outside of Siri still desperately needing dramatic improvement) no one really wants to mess around with AI services, especially from Apple.
Apple is a hardware company that happens to make their own software. But they don’t do particularly well is Internet services. They have never replaced Google or any search engine for that matter, they don’t have a YouTube equivalent, they’ve given up on social media, AI is just the next thing.
 
I think another thing people are missing the point on is the M5 chips. A Mac Studio with an M5 Ultra chip will be anywhere between 20 - 35% of an Nvidia Blackwell based chipset, with two major things to realize:

- Nvidia GPUs don't run with unified memory the way Apple M chips do
- Mac Studio Ultras are a fraction of the price of enterprise grade Blackwell cards
- For the same price you can stack Mac Studio M5 ultras and start equaling performance using a lot less energy

When Apple does this their way, they'll own the complete stack, not be subjected to downstream market effects and offer a more integrated solution for users on Apple platforms.
 
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Its like that old story about the bear attack, you only have to run faster than 1 other person in your group to win.
This metaphor only makes sense if Apple is trying to outrun a bear (other AI companies) which they absolutely were not, even from the start.
Even as far back as June 2024, Craig Federighi was openly saying to anyone who would listen that “Apple is *not* making a chat bot. They are not developing SiriGPT”.
He literally said that, before any of the delays, before any of the problems were publicly known, before anything.
Obviously, they were attempting to use large language models to complete some tasks within their software that they were not able to, but they were not competing with Gemini. They were not competing with OpenAI.
Meanwhile, you know where Apple is focused? Do you know where they are dramatically ahead of OpenAI by leaps and bounds?
The one thing they have been good at since 1976, hardware with in-house developed software.
Meanwhile, OpenAI is promising that they will have some type of hardware product…uh, um… some day? I think the latest reports are they hope to have their product out by late 2027? Or maybe 2028? So, you know, when we are on the iPhone 21? That’s a pretty long wait for something that is not guaranteed to be a success.
 
That's the key though. That's why (people who want it) want an LLM powered Siri. Siri can actually do a few things, but the command syntax is so strict and inconsistent. The LLM part would help it interpret far better.

But I do think they need to scrap Siri entirely because its reputation has been absolutely ruined over the past decade of worse than neglect. If they simply ignored it that would be one thing, but all these years they keep lying about how great it is. And it just keeps going unto now.

Yes old Siri used phrase pattern matching. It's basically voice controlled Zork on steroids.

But let's be careful when we say people want an LLM powered Siri. More carefully described, they want the LLM-powered Siri that was promised. Constraints on the technology, both technical and financial, will never deliver that Siri. Every single day that becomes more evident.

If we strip this back from the "hit everything with the LLM hammer" technology fad, what people really want is a better interface for their technology. They screwed up the already inadequate one quite seriously (liquid glass).

Nothing has improved anywhere in the last 3 years.
 
I don’t care about their bottom line, I care about their product quality.
And with the M5 Macs, OLED iPads and the record setting iPhone 17 series, it’s hard to argue against the fact that their actual products have never been better.
Their software has been better… but it is also been so, so much worse. Looking at you iPhoneOS 2.0, iOS 4, iOS 7, Mac OS X Chita, Puma, Leopard, Yosemite.
 
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Cool me skeptical...Not only has Apple been flailing in the LLM space, they have been flailing with software across the board. iOS 26 sucks, the Photo app sucks, Tahoe sucks, they completely screwed up the workout portion of the watch, etc.

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then:

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Flailing? Hardly.

Apple has been leading in privacy preserving AI, and developers have been adopting the Apple Foundation Models and using them to provide useful and practical features in their applications. Not just chatbots, but actual useful features, like when TripIt added a feature that can reprocess unfiled emails that their web services weren’t pre-configured to handle. A bug pain point for business travelers solved with the ondevice AI without the developer having to pay anything, and without them having to supply and download a model either.

Apple’s AI researchers have also been doing some very interesting work around the use of models specifically trained for use in wearable devices that can identify medical problems just from the sensors already on a watch.

It’s foolish to turn off a significant feature in your device merely because you misunderstand what it does or what it’s for.
 
I used to be Team Android. I loved that Android was always first to market with all the cool new toys, and laughed at my Apple friends who couldn't play with them for another couple of years until Apple finally got around to matching them.

Then I realized that when Apple DID finally release a similar feature, it was well thought out, fully developed, and ready to go. Unlike Android's implementations that were often rushed and only half-implemented.

I've been team Apple for about 5 years now. I have every faith that their implementation of AI features will be much more useful than most of the "toys" added to Android at this point.
 
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Personally, I have little-to-no interest in AI. At least not in anything AI-related that has been offered to consumers thus far. Therefore, Siri and AI remain turned off on all of my devices.

That being said, it has always been my view that Apple - despite its huge software issues in recent years culminating in iOS/iPadOS/macOS 26 - has been focused on secure, on-device AI processing. That would explain at least part of the long gestation period.

Ironically, Google seems to have placed a greater emphasis on secure, on-device AI processing with its latest Pixel 10 phone line with its new Tensor G5 processor. Apple’s A19/M5 chips and Qualcomm’s Snapdragon Elite chips may be the Ferraris of the CPU/GPU world. But it seems to me that Google’s G5 is more like a diesel. It’s not as fast as the hot rod chips, but it’s a strong workhorse that can do the heavy lifting of on-device AI processing.

To use the automotive analogy again, Apple may be in a similar position as Toyota. The Japanese automaker deliberately dragged its feet on pure electric vehicles while others car companies spent billions and billions - only to have the market for EVs in the U.S. (Toyota’s largest market) collapse. Instead, Toyota readied itself by perfecting traditional hybrids. Now, more than half of its vehicle line-up is hybrid powered. Just in time for an American market that is truly interested.

Apple is focused on AI features that deliver useful capabilities to users. Not gimmicky chatbots that nobody uses correctly anyway.
 
Tim Cook posting AI slop to promote Apple TV is pretty embarrassing.


I don't buy it. He says it was painted by Keith Thompson. They asked Keith Thompson and he said "I don't comment on works that I was commissioned to do." If it was AI that someone said was him, surely he would have said "uh, no I didn't paint that."
 
I am sick and tired of asking my HomePod about something and that thing just can’t answer. Imagine when they update HomePods: current generation will become obsolete instantly. So I hate Apple for that. I need Siri that understands what I say and push informations I want
 
Flailing? Hardly.

Apple has been leading in privacy preserving AI, and developers have been adopting the Apple Foundation Models and using them to provide useful and practical features in their applications. Not just chatbots, but actual useful features, like when TripIt added a feature that can reprocess unfiled emails that their web services weren’t pre-configured to handle. A bug pain point for business travelers solved with the ondevice AI without the developer having to pay anything, and without them having to supply and download a model either.

Apple’s AI researchers have also been doing some very interesting work around the use of models specifically trained for use in wearable devices that can identify medical problems just from the sensors already on a watch.

It’s foolish to turn off a significant feature in your device merely because you misunderstand what it does or what it’s for.

I don't want it. Simple.
 
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