The glass looks sleek in pictures, but if I'm in a bright room or in-front of a window my MBP becomes severally handicapped. A matte finish is definitely more practical.
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The glass looks sleek in pictures, but if I'm in a bright room or in-front of a window my MBP becomes severally handicapped. A matte finish is definitely more practical.
No, we don't know. Because it's 2x the resolution, not 4x. If you're going to pontificate, at least learn what the words man.
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The 2713H is wide gamut, no? The 2713HM I think is a closer comparison. I have one at work and it's fine, except for having had to spend hours digging up the EDID override hack to get it to work. And hoping that will keep working on future OS revisions and systems. And as long as the persistent display artifacts aren't distracting.
Is your MBP retina? I had a unibody MacBook (the MBP before they added a few ports) and the reflections were terrible. I now have a retina MBP, and it is massively better, and useable in a sun lit room (as long as it is not positioned badly relative to the window, but that also messes up my external matte screen).
Yes, my 2011 was replaced with a 2013 Retina and there is a big difference, but it's still difficult at times. Like my favorite area to work at my college has a glass roof so glare beats down on you constantly.
DisplayPort 1.3 can run 5K handedly
So, as I understand it, the current Thunderbolt ports are based on DisplayPort 1.2 (or 1.2a, I can't remember which).
DisplayPort 1.3 was supposed to be hammered out by 2014Q2. I'm not sure if they got it done, but DisplayPort 1.3 allows for 32GBps (rather than DisplayPort 1.2's 18GBps).
Another thing I don't know for for sure is if going from DisplayPort 1.2 to DisplayPort 1.3 is simply a firmware update. But if it is, then the Original Mac Pro (and possibly the MacBook Pro with discrete GPU) would be able to run a 5K display as well.
Of course, if the original Mac Pro is not updatable by firmware, I see no reason why an updated 2014 Mac Pro, with Intel's new Xeon E5 V3, and AMD's new FirePro GPUs, couldn't be designed to use the new DisplayPort 1.3 standard.
So, as I understand it, the current Thunderbolt ports are based on DisplayPort 1.2 (or 1.2a, I can't remember which).
DisplayPort 1.3 was supposed to be hammered out by 2014Q2. I'm not sure if they got it done, but DisplayPort 1.3 allows for 32GBps (rather than DisplayPort 1.2's 18GBps).
Another thing I don't know for for sure is if going from DisplayPort 1.2 to DisplayPort 1.3 is simply a firmware update. But if it is, then the Original Mac Pro (and possibly the MacBook Pro with discrete GPU) would be able to run a 5K display as well.
Of course, if the original Mac Pro is not updatable by firmware, I see no reason why an updated 2014 Mac Pro, with Intel's new Xeon E5 V3, and AMD's new FirePro GPUs, couldn't be designed to use the new DisplayPort 1.3 standard.
I can verify this. I'm not sure how, but glare on the rMBP is much less of a problem compared to on a regular MBP. I've actually never had issues with glare on it. On the 2009 MBP, glare was a real problem. I don't see why it's that big of an issue with desktop monitors, though. Just keep the curtains closed.
The LCD is fused into the glass, so there isn't an extra layer that is usually around .5-1mm. The same goes for the new imacs.
Or you could at least learn basic math, so you would know that 2x in both dimensions = 4x, man.
Yes, the 2713H is the wide gamut variant. It's also daisy-chainable if you're using DisplayPort 1.2 / Thunderbolt 2. For some reason I was thinking there was more of a difference in the feature set or panel itself, but not so much (although you don't get the flakey SD Card reader with the 2713HM).
I'm pretty sure the EDID issue was an OS X problem all along, seeing as Dell displays generally work fine under Windows, even on Macs. I also believe it was finally resolved in 10.9.4, FWIW.
What sort of persistent display artifacts do you experience with yours?
Come on Apple, get you collective ass back in the computer industry. Compared to the cost of some resent acquisitions is should be relatively cheap and simple to offer three displays plus an ungraded mini.
Have a 21.5" HD display based on the current iMac 21.5" model. At a reasonable price a lot of Mac enthusiasts would opt for that size. Even Mac Pro users working in HD video might want one for media playback.
Next offer a 27" display based on the current iMac 27" model. 27 inches is plenty enough for most people and would work well on MBPs, rMBPs, Airs and minis.
Finally sell a 4K monitor for the big boys and girls either working on 4K or just wanting to spend the cash on the top-of-line ACD.
Give all monitors three or four powered USB 3 ports, two TB 2 ports, an Ethernet port and a FW800 port for backward compatibility. $599, $799 and $999. Really Apple, get your act back together.
Have a 21.5" HD display based on the current iMac 21.5" model. At a reasonable price a lot of Mac enthusiasts would opt for that size. Even Mac Pro users working in HD video might want one for media playback.
Next offer a 27" display based on the current iMac 27" model. 27 inches is plenty enough for most people and would work well on MBPs, rMBPs, Airs and minis.
Finally sell a 4K monitor for the big boys and girls either working on 4K or just wanting to spend the cash on the top-of-line ACD.
Give all monitors three or four powered USB 3 ports, two TB 2 ports, an Ethernet port and a FW800 port for backward compatibility. $599, $799 and $999. Really Apple, get your act back together.
That explains it well. The MBP did have quite a thick pane of glass in front of the LCD compared to the rMBP.
Not gonna happen. But I do hope they give me something to choose from before I pull the trigger on a 34UC97.
One thing I used to love was the ADC. Only needed one cable connected to the Mac for both power and video. Hell with TB they could achieve even more versatility.
So my wish list for the next Apple monitor;
Curved.
4K.
One cable.
2 USB
2 TB
1 FW800
<$1000.
Matt screen.
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5k imac just won't happen
iMacs are not pro machines. They are the closest thing to apple's gaming solution. A macpro is too costly for a gamer plus the cards inside them are meant for professional work. Putting a 5 K screen into an all-in-one desktop will not happen without significant GPU technology upgrades. I can see maybe a 5k stand alone display maybe. Even then costs would be too significant.
Don't get me wrong. I would love it if the apple or the GPU market came up with some sort of thunderbolt connected card that worked with osx or enhanced and cooled the already included chips. Given that I am not a true gamer it really doesn't affect me.
iMacs are not pro machines. They are the closest thing to apple's gaming solution. A macpro is too costly for a gamer plus the cards inside them are meant for professional work. Putting a 5 K screen into an all-in-one desktop will not happen without significant GPU technology upgrades. I can see maybe a 5k stand alone display maybe. Even then costs would be too significant.
Don't get me wrong. I would love it if the apple or the GPU market came up with some sort of thunderbolt connected card that worked with osx or enhanced and cooled the already included chips. Given that I am not a true gamer it really doesn't affect me.
Haha dp 1.3 just made iT out in The open:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/vesa-displayport-1-3-standard-outlineds.html
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/vesa-displayport-1-3-standard-outlineds.html
You can't speed up a chip from 20Gbps to 32Gbps by "updating the firmware". Now if Apple would still use classicMP style and DP/TB ports would be on add-on card all this would be easy, but...
Problem here is that MP does not have clean DP ports. It has TB2 ports and it will take time after DP1.3 is carved to stone, for intel to design and manufacture new TB3 chips that will have DP1.3 included. Also Apple has a big problem maintaining TB ecosystem with too rapid upgrade pace, since the overall amount of sold peripherals would stay too low to be cost effective.
Maybe somebody can help me wrap my head around all these numbers.
So, if or when Apple releases a new Thunderbolt Display upgrade (4k or 5k) how would this look? For example: if you connected the display to a 15" Macbook Pro Retina would the size of the graphics (icon & text) be about the same? Would most Apple users need to upgrade their hardware to use this new display?
So, if or when Apple releases a new Thunderbolt Display upgrade (4k or 5k) how would this look? For example: if you connected the display to a 15" Macbook Pro Retina would the size of the graphics (icon & text) be about the same? Would most Apple users need to upgrade their hardware to use this new display?
It would do retina scaling so look about the same but sharper. It's exactly like the retina's were. So go see a 27" at the mac store and just imagine everything is sharper like the retinas.
As for hardware, I think yes, driving these monitors will require at least this years' hardware
Thanks Aloshka,
I see that you are using dual 27" TBs with some really nice hardware. Any reason for not going with displays with higher specs?
For myself I am just using a 15" mid 2012 Macbook pro Retina. Just purchased the current Apple Thunderbolt display, which should be here today or tomorrow. I know I will love it, but strongly considering returning it due to the possibility of a soon to be released upgrade.
I should have bought the display last year so I could have at least got some more time in with the product without it becoming replaced, so soon.
I see that you are using dual 27" TBs with some really nice hardware. Any reason for not going with displays with higher specs?
For myself I am just using a 15" mid 2012 Macbook pro Retina. Just purchased the current Apple Thunderbolt display, which should be here today or tomorrow. I know I will love it, but strongly considering returning it due to the possibility of a soon to be released upgrade.
I should have bought the display last year so I could have at least got some more time in with the product without it becoming replaced, so soon.
It's silly, but I like the auto-brightness and the ability to change brightness using the keyboard. Doesn't seem that big of a deal, but my environment lighting changes a lot throughout the day. Having to change each monitor individually 4-5 times a day becomes a nuisance. And the other weird thing is (not sure), even though these monitors are old and have annoying glass reflection, something about the quality of the display still strikes me as "nice".
I'm guessing if there will be display announcements they will happen in the October event(s). Since October is so close by, return or cancel the order and just wait. At the very least they might release iMac-like screens which are so much better than these TB screens. Something about the fused glass is nice and isn't as reflective.
And if nothing gets announced, then I don't know. I think if I lose hope of Apple releasing new displays, I will buy teh dell 24's 4k screens. They are more expensive but dual 27's can be a lot from time to time. With the 24's i can do retina scaling to make text smaller (still sharp), but won't have to turn my head as much.
Patience!
As others have said, this certainly won't be a display for gaming. Mac has never been an OS for gamers. If you're playing games on your Mac you should seriously consider buying a Windows machine, specifically an Origin machine. Origin allows many customisations and modifications. You can configure $80,000 machines at their site, or more simple machines.
Also, with more pixels to push comes a need for stronger graphics processing, so I'm going to say graphics cards are likely to catch up with higher PPI's and resolutions.
To be perfectly honest I'm very excited for this new era in monitors and displays. I'm definitely looking forward to high PPI's and big screens!
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I completely agree. Although there are many solutions but the most useful would be to buy an anti-glare screen cover for your tech.
As others have said, this certainly won't be a display for gaming. Mac has never been an OS for gamers. If you're playing games on your Mac you should seriously consider buying a Windows machine, specifically an Origin machine. Origin allows many customisations and modifications. You can configure $80,000 machines at their site, or more simple machines.
Also, with more pixels to push comes a need for stronger graphics processing, so I'm going to say graphics cards are likely to catch up with higher PPI's and resolutions.
To be perfectly honest I'm very excited for this new era in monitors and displays. I'm definitely looking forward to high PPI's and big screens!
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I completely agree. Although there are many solutions but the most useful would be to buy an anti-glare screen cover for your tech.