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Tablets never caught on until Apple made one
Smartphones never caught on until Apple made one
MP3 Music Players never caught on until Apple made one.

;)

It was the store that made these products so hot.
Peopole like to consume and Apple made this easy.

This does not work with health or fitness. If you want a lower glucose level, 30 punds less or a faster marathon time, you cannot simply purchase it on the iTunes store.
For many people the data about health or fitness on the watch will not be enjoyable at all.

If Apple is able to motivate more people to do something for health, great! But I doubt.
 
No, it won't. That's a niche market. Features like that mean nothing to the majority of Apple's customers. Think of the "Your Verse" ads; people can do a lot of cool stuff with the iPad too, but you're not going to see most people writing orchestras on their iPads.

Will the iWatch be successful? Absolutely. There's very little Apple could sell that would not be successful. But it won't make the big splash that everybody is expecting. It will end up a hobby like the Apple TV was when it first came to market.

If you truly believe this is going to be the next big thing, I have some bridges I'd like to sell to you.

Sorry, but you are still missing the point. The standard components of smartphones miniaturised in a watch are able to provide a plethora of functions to both normal (notifications, texting, navigation) and fitness users (navigation, speed measurement, step counting, sleep monitoring), while the addition of simple sensors such as heart rate monitors add a total new level to that. Now IF and I say IF Apple succeeds in widening that capability to include Point of Care diagnostics such as blood glucose monitoring blood pressure measurement, blood oxygen metering, then it will tap into a whole additional market.

I work as a technology consultant for a company that develops both wearables and diagnostics products. Most companies that we work with in wearables are now investing in marrying wearables with diagnostics. The reason is that diagnostics are becoming mature technologies and cheaper and easier to integrate. Consumers now want to have more control over their fitness, which is exemplified by the success of Fitbit and others. Just like it is now common to monitor heart rate, it will be normal in the not too distant future to monitor a host of other metrics, including metrics that are medically relevant. We are at the start of a development where diagnostics will start to play an ever more prominent role in many people's lives.

What is missing on the market is a device that is able to consolidate all these functions into one, while remaining fashionable and not being a 3 inch diameter brick on the wrist, or something additional to an existing watch. It seems Apple is working on such a device.

One of the most important lesson that my corporate strategy professor taught me is to not focus on where the market is, but to look what developments are shaping the future market.
This is a very good example of Wayne Gretzky's quote "I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.". I think we all know who used that quote a few years ago.

You said that this is not going to be the next big thing. We need to define big in this regard. It might not be a product that will generate the same revenues as iPhone or iPad in the short term. However in terms of importance this will be the biggest product that will be introduced in the entire consumer electronics market since the iPad.

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Absolutely. :)

I'll be here also. I'll be glad to concede that I'm wrong if I am.
 
This is sounding more and more like a device for hypochondriacs. Perhaps they should re-name it the iWorry? I'm starting to seriously wonder about the responsibility/ethics of using health to sell gadgets.

Most people simply don't need to measure these things, beyond (maybe) annual screenings (...and there are already some concerns over the unintended consequences of mass screening).

Even people with relevant medical conditions don't necessarily need 24/7 monitoring.

Its great that the research is going on - I'm sure that there are diabetics out there who would be delighted not to have to do finger-prick tests half a dozen times a day - but that's not even most diabetics. For those that do need constant monitoring, their lives depend on it - that's not a job for a bit of mass-market consumer electronics.

Sports? Do you really want to encourage amateurs to start redlining it on heart rate and BP without medical supervision?

...meanwhile, will those of us who just want to see text messages and calandar alerts on their wrists have to pay the premium for a medically certified device (all that liability insurance in case an iWatch fails to spot someone going hypo)?

Because less information is always better than more, right?
I think people should be acutely aware of their vitals on a regular basis. Maybe they'd be aware of their unhealthy habits and behavior. Maybe the positive feedback look might reward them for improving their behavior if this is executed right.
For example, if I can see that my blood glucose level is too high all of the time and I can see that it's lower when I eat healthier, then maybe I'll be more encouraged to eat healthier and have less deserts or processed foods.
We have an epidemic of obesity (not my words) and if this is a tool that will help people, then that's a good thing.

No I have no idea if any of this stuff is a gimmick or useful, but I'll take more information rather than less.

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This is my personal opinion but I am not sold on iWatch or whatever they will call it.
You don't even know what it is, how it'll work, what it'll look like, do or cost. All you know is that you don't want one?

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Based on what I have read so far, I have a feeling that the iWatch will look more like a traditional watch, being its primary goal to gather health data from the user. I don't expect it to have a large colorful display with a lot of functions in it, as it would primarily work as an accessory for the iPhone.
I just don't know what to think anymore. The rumors are kind of all over the place.
I'm just going to reserve judgement until it's actually announced.
 
I work as a technology consultant for a company that develops both wearables and diagnostics products. Most companies that we work with in wearables are now investing in marrying wearables with diagnostics. The reason is that diagnostics are becoming mature technologies and cheaper and easier to integrate. Consumers now want to have more control over their fitness, which is exemplified by the success of Fitbit and others. Just like it is now common to monitor heart rate, it will be normal in the not too distant future to monitor a host of other metrics, including metrics that are medically relevant. We are at the start of a development where diagnostics will start to play an ever more prominent role in many people's lives.

One of the most important lesson that my corporate strategy professor taught me is to not focus on where the market is, but to look what developments are shaping the future market.
This is a very good example of Wayne Gretzky's quote "I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.". I think we all know who used that quote a few years ago.

You said that this is not going to be the next big thing. We need to define big in this regard. It might not be a product that will generate the same revenues as iPhone or iPad in the short term. However in terms of importance this will be the biggest product that will be introduced in the entire consumer electronics market since the iPad.

You work in a tech sector that involves wearables. It's very easy to lose sight of the bigger picture when, as you mentioned, this could have a fairly substantial impact on your surroundings.

I think this will be a big product in the short term. It will sell millions in its first few months because customers love Apple. But it will not be a revolution. And it won't see the same level of success as the iPhone, iPad, or Mac in the long term if this is truly a health-focused device. It's possible that the iWatch will have more to offer—after all, Health was supposedly a big part of iOS 8 and it was only briefly mentioned in the keynote—but if it's just a sensor-filled bracelet that lets you answer phone calls, it's going to be a hard sell.
 
I am in regardless.

I remember buying ipad 1 when everyone didn't know what it was or going to be used for. I fell in love
 
If they truly had a way to give non-invasive glucose readings, that'd be a big thing: Lots of people have an increased risk of developing diabetes due to lifestyle and/or family history. There's definitely a market for something that could conveniently and reliably(!) alert you to the early warning signs.

Then again, most people commenting on this seem to agree that there's currently no technology for measuring glucose levels in that way, so I'n not holding my breath for that one.

It seems that scales don't work for people who are gaining weight and on their way to obesity, I can't see a health band or whatever it will be called doing so for the masses. People who are into health and fitness may find this quite useful. Non invasive glucose monitoring would be huge for diabetics, but what about the average, overweight, out of shape American consumer?

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If it can measure blood glucose accurately, no more questions, I'm in.

If it can do that it will be the first device able to do so. There is no indication elsewhere to indicate that this is close to happening.
 
Implanted devices that deliver insulin to diabetic patients making them seem diabetes free are now being tested. This will eliminate the need for any glucose monitoring device such as this. This concept is going to be leapfrogged fairly quickly.


That's great for type 1 diabetics who are insulin dependent. Type 2 diabetics will still need to monitor blood glucose levels.
 
FDA allows 20% error on glucose strips, which is a pretty wide margin. Too wide for comfort, but I doubt any glucose monitoring tech could be approved if they only allowed, say, a 5% margin of error. I don't think any of the non-invasive methods are anywhere near 20%, reliably.

Basically you have to give diabetics something, even at 20% error, or they'd be totally screwed. For those who take insulin, administering it without a glucose reading would be suicide, either because they take too much and suffer a potentially fatal case of hypoglycemia, or too little and start losing eyes and kidneys.

One thing we're waiting to see is what software Apple will make available to support this health/fitness effort. Diabetes software for OSX and IOS is generally rather terrible. Poorly designed, hard to use, not iOS/OSX transferable, and without important calculations like HbA1c.

As a diabetic, I came here to say exactly this. Thank you, good person. That said, given glucose monitoring is really a niche technology limited to diabetics (and really frequently only to the much smaller percentage of type 1 diabetics), I'm excited to see the potential of allowing a wider base of development to see what can be produced to make it more efficient for folks like us with T1.
 
maybe just a niche product for health nuts or maybe something different?

What if its more of an instrument panel for your body?

-your glucose is low
-you have too much salt in your diet
-you are overexerting yourself
-you need sleep, stop driving
-your blood alcohol is high, don't drive
-you don't get enough sleep
-you may have just had a heart attack, go to a hospital immediately
-your life style is not active enough
-you may have sleep apnea
-you have low blood pressure
-you have a temperature, you may be getting sick
-you may be ovulating

might be a gimmick or might be in ten years, nobody will remember that there was a time we didn't monitor ourselves...
 
^^^^^

I can see the commercial now... professional athletes playing basketball. A track runner pushing himself to the extremes. An olympian swimmer being monitored by scientists and a coach, attempting to knock off a split second from his time (think rocky IV).

Now cut to normal people. A morning jogger keeping her heartrate in the zone. A middleaged man being notified to check his glucose level. A young man leaving the office party and getting in his car. He looks at his watch and calls a cab instead. An elderly man shoveling snow and his device tells him to stop now and seek medical help. An elderly woman collapses in her house and her watch calls 911. And finally, a young couple struggling to have a baby are notified of the optimal times to do you know what. Commercial closes with snow shoveling guy talking to his doctor, elderly lady alive in the hospital and young couple holding their newborn....
 
You work in a tech sector that involves wearables. It's very easy to lose sight of the bigger picture when, as you mentioned, this could have a fairly substantial impact on your surroundings.

I understand what you are saying, but I'm not even close to losing sight of the bigger picture. A major part of my activities is focused on exploring that bigger picture, as I'm responsible for market entry strategies for a variety of technologies.

I think this will be a big product in the short term. It will sell millions in its first few months because customers love Apple. But it will not be a revolution. And it won't see the same level of success as the iPhone, iPad, or Mac in the long term if this is truly a health-focused device. It's possible that the iWatch will have more to offer—after all, Health was supposedly a big part of iOS 8 and it was only briefly mentioned in the keynote—but if it's just a sensor-filled bracelet that lets you answer phone calls, it's going to be a hard sell.

I still disagree with you that this won't be a revolution. Let's see in two years where we are. This is a very interesting period...
 
This does not work with health or fitness. If you want a lower glucose level, 30 punds less or a faster marathon time, you cannot simply purchase it on the iTunes store.
For many people the data about health or fitness on the watch will not be enjoyable at all.

If Apple is able to motivate more people to do something for health, great! But I doubt.

There is research evidence to support the hypothesis that gadgets like fitbits do motivate some percentage of the general populace to get more exercise than they would without.

Not enough for a marathon, but enough to get them to a lower health risk category.
 
Will never, ever happen as this article describes.

Sweat sensors? Possible.
Heart rate monitor? Probable.
Non invasive glucose monitoring? Nope.

Besides the fact that there isn't reliable tech out there yet (induced Raman is still quite messy, and isn't portable), such a move would firmly plant the iWatch in medical device land, which is a major bag of hurt. Every iteration would have to go through the FDA, and reliability and accuracy would become key factors for its approval. Not to mention this would open Apple to a whole new realm of litigation, and software updates would really, really suck.
 
This is one (mooted) item that will never be found in the refurb store. Who would want someone's former sweat receptacle?
 
Some groundbreaking news that may interest you.

Stem Cell Research Wins Medicine Nobel 2012​


Shino Yamanaka of Kyoto University in Japan was a shoo-in for the 2012 Nobel Prize in Medicine. But in a surprising twist, he shared it with a researcher who did his award-winning work 50 years ago.

In 2007 Yamanaka discovered that all human cells have a set of genetic switches, four points on the genome, that can be tweaked to create pluripotent stem cells. These can create all other types of cells, potentially allowing a scientist to make skin grafts or whole organs out of a patient’s own cells, eliminating the risk of tissue rejection. Going into the 2012 Nobel week he was one of the favorites to take the medicine prize.

Yamanaka shares the Nobel Prize with John Gurdon for work Gurdon did at the University of Oxford. The British scientist first theorized in 1962 that cell specialization could be reversed, and that a mature cell of any kind, a skin cell, for example, was not doomed to die a skin cell. He replaced the nucleus of a frog egg cell with a nucleus from an adult frog’s intestinal cell and found that a normal tadpole developed – all the genetic information needed to form a whole animal was still contained in the specialized adult cell.

Human studies have already been conducted. They have repaired subjects' heart's by injecting their own modified adult stem cells; from scar tissue to heart valves, the results have been more than expected. Even more impressive, CNS repair. Subjects who are paraplegic, have back and neck injuries, severe nerve damage, ert. have regrown damaged tissue and have regained (or in some instances gained) the ability to walk, used limbs once thought lost for life, and are pain/injury free.

The next experiment involve curing diabetes. I've been in touch with the program(s) to determine if I'm a candidate as a Type 1 diabetic in great health since age 12 (now 37).

The only question left is how this will hit the market (now when) and who will be awarded patents, etc.

Lastly, a summary from one of their studies a while ago involving mice.

Successful reprogramming of differentiated human somatic cells into a pluripotent state would allow creation of patient- and disease-specific stem cells. We previously reported generation of induced pluripotent stem (iPS) cells, capable of germline transmission, from mouse somatic cells by transduction of four defined transcription factors. Here, we demonstrate the generation of iPS cells from adult human dermal fibroblasts with the same four factors: Oct3/4, Sox2, Klf4, and c-Myc. Human iPS cells were similar to human embryonic stem (ES) cells in morphology, proliferation, surface antigens, gene expression, epigenetic status of pluripotent cell-specific genes, and telomerase activity. Furthermore, these cells could differentiate into cell types of the three germ layers in vitro and in teratomas. These findings demonstrate that iPS cells can be generated from adult human fibroblasts.
 
I just hope Cook is not trying to save humanity with this watch, because that is not what Apple is about. Solar panels are great, but digging into medical hardware?
 
I just hope Cook is not trying to save humanity with this watch, because that is not what Apple is about. Solar panels are great, but digging into medical hardware?

Don't we all share a vision of the future in which you are diagnosed with an illness at the very earliest stages by some device in your home that monitors you? Was it just me?

If you share it then what type of company is going to bring it to you? Manufacturers and large scale medical equipment that have no experience in the consumer market or a company that innovates in the consumer market and has a track record of redefining normality?
 
This is my personal opinion but I am not sold on iWatch or whatever they will call it.
You don't know what it looks like. What features it has. What capability it has. What the price is.

And you've reached a verdict. Impressive!

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You work in a tech sector that involves wearables. It's very easy to lose sight of the bigger picture when, as you mentioned, this could have a fairly substantial impact on your surroundings.

I think this will be a big product in the short term. It will sell millions in its first few months because customers love Apple. But it will not be a revolution. And it won't see the same level of success as the iPhone, iPad, or Mac in the long term if this is truly a health-focused device. It's possible that the iWatch will have more to offer—after all, Health was supposedly a big part of iOS 8 and it was only briefly mentioned in the keynote—but if it's just a sensor-filled bracelet that lets you answer phone calls, it's going to be a hard sell.
—but if it's just an over-sized iPhone that doesn't even let you answer phone calls, it's going to be a hard sell.

This ignorance seems to make the rounds every few years. Like clockwork.

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Will never, ever happen as this article describes.

Sweat sensors? Possible.
Heart rate monitor? Probable.
Non invasive glucose monitoring? Nope.

Besides the fact that there isn't reliable tech out there yet (induced Raman is still quite messy, and isn't portable), such a move would firmly plant the iWatch in medical device land, which is a major bag of hurt. Every iteration would have to go through the FDA, and reliability and accuracy would become key factors for its approval. Not to mention this would open Apple to a whole new realm of litigation, and software updates would really, really suck.
Placing it in FDA approved "medical device land" is not as mysterious and scary as you try to make it seem. Apple has the staff to manage this. Additionally, its absolutely necessary in order to have it as a component of the dialog between patient and doctor that Apple and Mayoclinic are establishing with Health/Healthkit.

As already detailed, FDA bar for accuracy is exceptionally low.

Non-invasive glucose monitoring is probable and has been actively researched for years. Apple has the capital is buy/hire/expedite R&D
 
My guess is the sweat sensor would be looking for salt concentration in order to assess hydration levels?

So your watch can tell you you are thirsty? Boy we sure have become a lazy society. :rolleyes:
 
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