Report Details Turmoil Behind Apple's AI Efforts, 'Siri X,' and Headset Voice Controls

This type of dysfunction happens when corporations/organizations/governments become too big. Apple needs to diversify its corporate structure into smaller units. They are trying to do too many things under one "roof" and they end up running in circles at Apple Campus.
It has more to do with the fact that once you're big enough to offer handsome compensations and benefits packages, you attract people who only care about those things.

It also doesn't help that once you're big, it's more about maintenance than innovation. Ask any Amazon or Google employee. There are actually fewer opportunities to work on exciting projects at FAANG than at a startup.
 
I've said it on numerous occasions. The AI revolution is here and Tim Cook just isn't ready. He has already made a fatal decision (among many others) on Siri that made Apple a laggard in the voice assistant war. He's more of a liability now than an asset to Apple at this point.

No AirPower, no Apple Car, delayed transition to Apple Silicon, bungled attempts to improve Siri, lost opportunities to dominate gaming with Apple Silicon, "identity crisis" of the iPad, billions lost on Apple TV+... The list goes on. He might be a logistics genius but he's shown again and again that he lacks vision and organizational competence. Get rid of him now before it's too late.
 
it's one factor the the organizational and product leadership limitations seem like much bigger problems. Moving functions to the device is just adding duct tape if they don't have any ideas on making the product actually work.


Of course Apple has ideas, does research & development, creates and vetts plans, engages systems engineers to map out technologies used and what needs to be developed, puts a management structure in place to foster successful outcomes, and creates a team of engineers/technicians/managers/etc to create successful products. Just like other tech companies.

Do you really think a company of Apple's massive success and size, with close to a billion customers, just lets engineers loose and do whatever they feel like doing with no planning or vision?

Do you really believe that's how iPhone/Mac/Watch/Apple Silicon devices/iPad/etc somehow came together as successful products - with no plans or vision...just let engineers run loose and do whatever they want?

Have you ever worked for a successful tech company that develops commercial products and technologies?
 
Of course Apple has ideas, does research & development, creates and vetts plans, engages systems engineers to map out technologies used and what needs to be developed, puts a management structure in place to foster successful outcomes, and creates a team of engineers/technicians/managers/etc to create successful products. Just like other tech companies.

Do you really think a company of Apple's massive success and size, with close to a billion customers, just lets engineers loose and do whatever they feel like doing with no planning or vision?

Do you really believe that's how iPhone/Mac/Watch/Apple Silicon devices/iPad/etc somehow came together as successful products - with no plans or vision...just let engineers run loose and do whatever they want?

Have you ever worked for a successful tech company that develops commercial products and technologies?
I also can't believe Sony would get outcompeted by Samsung in making electronics, but it happened. Titans can fall and they have. Even a great company like Apple and Sony is only three or four fatal decisions from a point of no return.
 
Siri’s voice recognition is really good, I find. It just can’t do much.

Anyway, very interesting report. Apple’s rife internal feuds are a result of directionless leadership who want to maintain the status quo for fear of angering investors. And when the captain of the ship is solely interested in balancing books, he won’t get stuck into the nitty gritty of hammering out these vital details.

I don’t want to be all “but Steve would have…”, but to say he would be mad about OpenAI’s and now Microsoft’s lead would be an understatement.
It still doesn't do a great job distinguishing different voices in major languages like French, German, Spanish, and Chinese. It's only good in English.
 
I for one am glad that they took this approach. The Apple fan base is largely concerned with privacy hence why they stick around.
that is 100% false.

Just look at all of them using Facebook, Messenger, Google Photos, Spotify, Amazon Music/Prime, and Venmo. Not a single one of them cares a fraction of a cent about their privacy. I tell all my Apple-wielding friends the horrors of what Facebook is doing, even as it is happening right in front of their face (**** showing up on their FB feeds after a chat in messenger) and they don't care. They see it as "just the way it is".

Apple's problem is "messaging". They have a message-reachability issue of their own making. They aren't getting the word out about their own services! No one knows or cares that Apple has a Music service, no one knows or cares about iCloud Photo Library. No one knows or cares about Apple Pay. No one knows or cares about Fitness+. Worse, when they do find out, they don't know how to use it or make it work. They can't figure out how to use Apple Pay or Apple Pay Cash.

They hear about random cheap garbage from their friends, many of who are Android, and they just want to do the simplest thing that helps them work with their least common denominator friend (the one Android person).

By this sword, of their own making, Apple will die.
 
I also can't believe Sony would get outcompeted by Samsung in making electronics, but it happened. Titans can fall and they have. Even a great company like Apple and Sony is only three or four fatal decisions from a point of no return.

Saying (essentially) anything can happen is not saying anything new.

Nobody seems to want to back up their assertions with meaningful data.
 
Except that wasn't a secret at all. NeXTSTEP ran on x86, SPARC, PA-RISC, 68000 series, and PowerPC (which was never commercially available).

As others have noted, Apple's privacy stance is going to make AI development more difficult. This might be what dethrones them in the consumer electronics space. If someone brings an AI-powered phone to market with a conversational UI, something we can talk to, like a friend, the iPhone will be uncool overnight.

Off-topic but… although it might have been rumoured, recall Steve Jobs' presentation: "Mac OS X has been leading a secret double life the past five years," (https://www.cnet.com/culture/jobs-confirms-apple-switch-to-intel/)
 
The only thing I can't stand about Siri is that she can't recognize my voice. I am so sick of Youtube videos activating her, I end up yelling "NO!!! CANCEL!!!" daily it seems... and sometimes it's too late and she does something bizarre with whatever gibberish was picked up.
 
Saying (essentially) anything can happen is not saying anything new.

Nobody seems to want to back up their assertions with meaningful data.
I'm not saying anything can happen. I'm saying a corporation of "massive success and size, with close to a billion customers" can **** up too.

And if you need "meaningful data" when talking about Sony's spectacular fall as an electronics giant, you shouldn't even be talking about it at all.
 
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I’d rather send my request to a mothership. There should be an option in the settings: if you accept to have remote processing you get a more feature rich experience, if you decide that everything has to be processed locally you accept the current subpar experience.
That was a line they gave at the time & most folk bought it not knowing any better. Remember that voice control never had any issue with on-device commands until they gimped that option when Siri launched. Given how powerful the A series of chips are whatever the reason it wasn't what apple was selling/giving, I'd wager it was because they wanted to analyse user command details to improve Siri overall rather than not.
 
Interesting piece of news!

I wonder if Siri's slow advancement could be largely attributed to privacy and confidentiality protections. I recall reading some time back that because the backend of Siri keeps the data in a more confidential fashion than Alex or Google Assistant that there isn't as much learning across contexts -- something like that and I'm sure I'm not fully characterising it properly but the gist is there.

I like it that way that Apple puts a lot of thought behind privacy and confidentiality rather than charging ahead with implementing new technology and making privacy and confidentiality issues more of an afterthought to be addressed via patching afterwards.
Tim? Is that you?
 
I'm not saying anything can happen. I'm saying a corporation of "massive success and size, with close to a billion customers" can **** up too.

And if you need "meaningful data" when talking about Sony's spectacular fall as an electronics giant, you shouldn't even be talking about it at all.

Again, that's just plain old fear mongering stating anything can happen - it's possible.

Well, sure. San Francisco can have a massive earthquake tomorrow. Certainly possible.


"And if you need "meaningful data" when talking about Sony's spectacular fall as an electronics giant, you shouldn't even be talking about it at all."

That's not what I'm saying. At all.

Meaningful data is with respect to Apple, supporting your notion that they're even remotely vulnerable; rather than: yeah anything can happen, Even a great company like Apple and Sony is only three or four fatal decisions from a point of no return. Well, yeah, of course, anything can happen.

A big nothing burger with respect to meaningful discourse. In other words...anything is possible. Apple could be doomed someday.

Rather than engage in the above fear mongering, how about putting something forward to support your fear of Apple's demise.
 
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Uh that’s Siri right now. Apple executives completely out of touch.



Yeah I remember them saying that and I was excited but I don’t notice any difference at all. Things that could work on device using the built in apps don’t work, and everything I’ve tried still requires web access. Maybe it’s better for accessibility being able to control a couple more on device functions by voice, but that’s not how they billed it.

This report makes perfect sense because we can tell from the outside that Siri is a mess caused by arrogance and neglect.
Yeah, I had exactly the same reaction. Like why does setting a timer on my homepods require internet access if it can be processed on device?
 


Siri and Apple's use of AI has been severely held back by caution and organizational dysfunction, according to over three dozen former Apple employees who spoke to The Information's Wayne Ma.

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The extensive paywalled report explains why former Apple employees who worked in the company's AI and machine learning groups believe that a lack of ambition and organizational dysfunction have hindered Siri and the company's AI technologies. Apple's virtual assistant is apparently "widely derided" inside the company for its lack of functionality and minimal improvement over time.

By 2018, the team working on Siri had apparently "devolved into a mess, driven by petty turf battles between senior leaders and heated arguments over the direction of the assistant." Siri's leadership did not want to invest in building tools to analyse Siri's usage and engineers lacked the ability to obtain basic details such as how many people were using the virtual assistant and how often they were doing so. The data that was obtained about Siri coming from the data science and engineering team was simply not being used, with some former employees calling it "a waste of time and money."

Many Apple employees purportedly left the company because it was too slow to make decisions or too conservative in its approach to new AI technologies, including the large-language models that underpin chatbots like ChatGPT. Apple CEO Tim Cook personally attempted to persuade engineers who helped Apple modernize its search technology to stay at the company, before they left to work on large-language models at Google.

Apple executives are said to have dismissed proposals to give Siri the ability to conduct extended back-and-forth conversations, claiming that the feature would be difficult to control and gimmicky. Apple's uncompromising stance on privacy has also created challenges for enhancing Siri, with the company pushing for more of the virtual assistant's functions to be performed on-device.

Cook and other senior executives requested changes to Siri to prevent embarassing responses and the company prefers Siri's responses to be pre-written by a team of around 20 writers, rather than AI-generated. There were also specific decisions to exclude information such as iPhone prices from Siri to push users directly to Apple's website instead.

Siri engineers working on the feature that uses material from the web to answer questions clashed with the design team over how accurate the responses had to be in 2019. The design team demanded a near-perfect accuracy rate before the feature could be released.

Engineers claim to have spent months persuading Siri designers that not every one of its answers needed human verification, a limitation that made it impossible to scale up Siri to answer the huge number of questions asked by users. Similarly, Apple's design team repeatedly rejected the feature that enabled users to report a concern or issue with the content of a Siri answer, preventing machine-learning engineers from understanding mistakes, because it wanted Siri to appear "all-knowing."

In 2019, the Siri team explored a project to rewrite the virtual assistant from scratch, codenamed "Blackbird." The effort sought to create a lightweight version of Siri that would delegate the creation of functions to app developers and would run on iPhones instead of the cloud to improve performance and privacy. Demos of Blackbird apparently prompted excitement among Apple employees owing to its utility and responsiveness.

Blackbird competed with the work of two senior leaders on the Siri team who were responsible for helping Siri understand and respond to queries. These individuals pushed for their own project, codenamed "Siri X," for the 10th anniversary of the virtual assistant. The project simply aimed to move Siri's processing on-device for privacy reasons, without the lightweight, modular functionality of Blackbird.

Hundreds of employees working on Blackbird were assigned to Siri X, which killed the ambitious project to make Siri more capable. Siri X was mostly completed in 2021 and now many of the voice assistant's functions are processed locally.

Most recently, the group working on Apple's mixed reality headset were reportedly disappointed by the demonstrations provided by the Siri team on how the virtual assistant could control the headset. At one point in the device's development, the headset team considered building an alternative method for controlling the device using voice commands because Siri was deemed to be unsatisfactory.

Article Link: Report Details Turmoil Behind Apple's AI Efforts, 'Siri X,' and Headset Voice Controls
Siri does what I need, hands free functionality when required, speech to text is actually very good.
Ultimetly AI will be the end of humanity and I for one don't need it!
Most of the comments on hear are by people, who haven't got a clue, of why Siri is limited and the benefits of that 😏
 
I’d rather send my request to a mothership. There should be an option in the settings: if you accept to have remote processing you get a more feature rich experience, if you decide that everything has to be processed locally you accept the current subpar experience.
You're more than welcome to get chatgpt or an android, don't try and force it on the rest of us 😏
 
Siri’s voice recognition is really good, I find. It just can’t do much.

Anyway, very interesting report. Apple’s rife internal feuds are a result of directionless leadership who want to maintain the status quo for fear of angering investors. And when the captain of the ship is solely interested in balancing books, he won’t get stuck into the nitty gritty of hammering out these vital details.

I don’t want to be all “but Steve would have…”, but to say he would be mad about OpenAI’s and now Microsoft’s lead would be an understatement.
Steve Jobs, wasn't a stupid man and unlike most, he would have recognised the dangers of AI!
For me Siri does what I need, hands free assistance when driving & voice to text, safely & without selling my data
 
Apple is plagued with problems which will become manifest over time and seriously, seriously impact on the viability of the company to remain a tech market leader. It’s like watching Nokia before the iPhone released.

The company does not have its finger on the pulse
The company lacks direction and focus
The company is lacking in innovation
The company is releasing scattershot products with little cohesion and reported chaos in the development line.

All very serious, very bad omens. At this point how is it even possible for Apple to pivot and catch up on AI?
 
I can't reply to messages with Siri, because I'm in Germany but the OS and Siri is set to English, and most of the Messages i get is written in German, some of them also in Spanish or Portuguese.

When she reads my messages, it sounds like she is trying to read text written with WingDings.
I would agree 100%, that is a major miss for Siri, I get texts in 2 languages and it is frustrating when I can't reply in Polish as well as English, especially as I can set the iPhone in Polish 😏
 
Apple is plagued with problems which will become manifest over time and seriously, seriously impact on the viability of the company to remain a tech market leader. It’s like watching Nokia before the iPhone released.

The company does not have its finger on the pulse
The company lacks direction and focus
The company is lacking in innovation
The company is releasing scattershot products with little cohesion and reported chaos in the development line.

All very serious, very bad omens. At this point how is it even possible for Apple to pivot and catch up on AI?
You simply don't understand an Apple customer!
Apple does 😊
 
Steve Jobs, wasn't a stupid man and unlike most, he would have recognised the dangers of AI!
For me Siri does what I need, hands free assistance when driving & voice to text, safely & without selling my data

Same here, also use Siri for queuing music for my HomePods.

It just works.
 
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