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Agree with you that it's sensible for Apple to be conservative around things like LLMs.

And no doubt there are lots of lawsuits waiting to happen around user data privacy re. it being used for training and whether (allegedly) LLMs slurping up nyc.com, wikipedia.com etc. for inputs and training really is 'fair use'.

However, I think that Siri is so poor it should've always been an optional beta that had to be manually enabled - even if whether it should've been released at all.

Certainly it should not have been centre-stage at several WWDCs, with Apple proclaiming that it is even more capable and 'intelligent'...

...Only for users to find that it's only still marginally better and still mostly useless.
Yep. Siri is the exact opposite of underpromising and over delivering.
 
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Surely they can afford to invest in A.I. with all the money they’ve save not bundling charging bricks with their phones. (Still salty bout that)
 
Dear Apple, here is an idea for how to improve Siri. Hire some interns to go on reddit and make a spreadsheet of all of the issues users are running into with siri. Scan r/siri and r/siri fail. Add columns "What was the user trying to do?" "What did the user say?" "Why didn't it work". Now have engineers go in and categorize the reasons of why it didn't work, prioritize, and fix.

You will see many rants complaining about siri. I think one of the reasons it has be frustrating is that it's a two way learning process. Often users find that some feature that once worked no longer works. They stop using it all together and it looses its feature set and therefore value. Or, the user learns a new wording if they can make it work still.

For example, "hey siri talk softer" and "talk quieter" actually have a different outcome now. One lowers the siri speaking voice, one lowers the media volume.

The siri functionality is definitely in flux. They are working on it actively. Things that I know were broken a month or two ago are now fixed and there are improvements. It also breaks at the same time. The problem is once something doesn't work, a human is most likely to never try to use it again.
Which one is for Siri to talk quieter? Actually, what I usually need is for her to speak up.
 
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“Dear Apple, here is an idea for how to improve Siri. Hire some interns to go on reddit and make a spreadsheet of all of the issues users are running into with siri. Scan r/siri and r/siri fail. Add columns "What was the user trying to do?" "What did the user say?" "Why didn't it work". Now have engineers go in and categorize the reasons of why it didn't work, prioritize, and fix”

this is the most constructive suggestion I have seen in a very long time. I would add, after the fixes get done, hire someone to market Siri. Half of the things that Siri can do only techies know about. I use Siri all day every day. I am a woman in advanced years who is very grateful that Siri can turn the lights on so that I don’t have to fuss with the little screws that turn the lamps on, I’m grateful that she does the calling, and FaceTiming of my grandkids and my kids, that she tells me the weather (although I wish she would also give the pollen info at the same time) reads my text messages out to me so that I don’t have to go find my glasses, reads my notifications out to me, etc. etc. I use it every day as I said, but there was today on the YouTube channel “proper honest tech“ two functions I didn’t know Siri could do.

After Siri prioritizes the main cripes that people have (what on earth could possibly be stopping Siri from setting multiple timers on the iPad or the phone) Apple needs to have a personable person moderate Siri’s own channel on YouTube. It would cost them nothing. This person could have a new video every week, lasting only the 13 minutes that Apple thinks is our attention span limit and show a new Siri function on Siri‘s own channel. Why spend the money to give Siri a new function that people have to happen serendipitously upon a YouTube channel to show them? Siri can already do a lot. Make her do it consistently and augment the functions and keep them on there, don’t remove them. I am still angry that Siri cannot search my photos for location, date, and person like it used to be able to do in iOS 15. I very much want Siri to succeed. It doesn’t have to be a chat GPT clone. But I don’t want to be embarrassed to say hey Siri in public and the fact that they spent money getting engineers to remove the ”hey“ trigger and not doing other things is as ludicrous as having her have new voices. I don’t have to have her sound like me, I’d rather be able to set multiple timers with her. Another new voice, and I think I’m going to throw my iPad up against the wall.
 
I'm a huge Apple fanboy and my first computer was actually the first Macintosh in 1984. I do fear that modern Apple which is rumored to be chasing a future of AR/VR glasses and headsets, and perhaps self driving car tech, is missing the real deal "next" world changing technology... AI. ChatGPT is a revelation and while its early days you can see how it is going to change the world already. This moment for Apple feels scary, its sort of like the moment Microsoft failed to see the shift to mobile as it tried to protect its desktop OS and office software monopoly and allowed other companies to come and takeover the majority of the computer industry... because the industry suddenly went into everyones pocket.
 
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Let’s be honest Siri is and always has been a complete POS. I dread using it, Amazon‘s Alexa for example, is light years ahead of Siri in terms of functionality.

even Alexa is getting worse. It's ChatGPT that has blown me away, it makes the other assistants look like a one year old learning to talk. with these new AI chatbots you can freely talk to them, in any normal way, and they totally understand and respond in normal conversational phrases. you can continue the conversations and they remember everything and understand like a real human, its so startling. when (and its soon) they bottle that into a mobile phone's assistant it is going to be game changing.
 
We have to hope that this story spurs Apple to fix the Siri situation. I’m someone who actually uses it for things (mainly running automations in HomeKit) and I want it to do a lot more than it does now, which is basically little to nothing.
 
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even Alexa is getting worse. It's ChatGPT that has blown me away, it makes the other assistants look like a one year old learning to talk. with these new AI chatbots you can freely talk to them, in any normal way, and they totally understand and respond in normal conversational phrases. you can continue the conversations and they remember everything and understand like a real human, its so startling. when (and its soon) they bottle that into a mobile phone's assistant it is going to be game changing.

Assuming they can be taught to stop making up ****.
 
Let's not forget that a rogue boss with a team of rogue engineers (flying a pirate flag) are what created the Macintosh. Everyone thought it was a joke project to keep Steve Jobs out of the company's day-to-day operations. And, it turned into something great.
One might say that there was turmoil behind Apple’s Mac efforts. And I’m certain that those Apple II aligned employees that left the company would be more than happy to regale anyone that listens about how much of a failure that Mac thing is going to be and how they should just focus on the Apple IIGS!
 
While I can respect Apple for having a privacy requirement, it’s obvious the time has come for an optional “advanced” version where more of your data is processed. I find that to be the best of both worlds.
 
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It runs tvOS. But yeah no doubt it could do it, but iOS currently just doesn’t. Hence the limitation.
Sure tvOS but realistically there is little functional difference between all of the iOS family. That is the reason that I find Apple’s decision to not allow multiple timers on iPhone frustrating.

If it is just the assumption that the only use case for multiple timers is in the kitchen and that the HomePod is the designated “kitchen” device, that is a very blindered viewpoint.
 
Yep. Siri is the exact opposite of underpromising and over delivering.
LOL TRUE! Hey siri turn off the lights. I’m sorry I’m having trouble identifying what is a light. Here, check out these websites about how to turn off your own lights. I can’t tell you, unlock your phone to see the websites.
 
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Just recently I made some videos about comparing 13 CarPlay-enabled GPS navigation apps.
When doing the review on Apple Maps, Siri screwed it up completely.

While in the screens for searching and prompting me for a destination to select from, it then claimed I have no navigation app open right now and would need to start one.

More and more one get's the impression, Siri is screwing literally all the Apple services.
 
Makes sense! Question for you!

Would you deal with Siri half a** or deal with AI that might give mislead you and give you wrong information?

Well whatever happened @TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️ I personally almost never use it and for things I want to use it for they fail half the time (like telling it to unlock my smart lock and I get something like your device is failing to respond, sometimes after it unlocks). I use google and other things to search for info the search of Siri is dismal and mostly useless.

@rjjacobson ... trusting in Google searches on the top half of the first part for all categories usually points to Google's on services and partners search results - is NOT an imperial proper internet search, sorry but you've been misled for a longtime now. So @TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️ indeed has a VERY valid and important point here.

Personally I've already augmented Siri with 'Siri Pro' using ChatGPT3.5 and soon 4.0. It's just a better result of information but yet it is limited.

Bing is doing a great job - although when it debuted without AI I'm sure we ALL made hilarious fun of it.
 
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Siri and Apple's use of AI has been severely held back by caution and organizational dysfunction, according to over three dozen former Apple employees who spoke to The Information's Wayne Ma.

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By 2018, the team working on Siri had apparently "devolved into a mess, driven by petty turf battles between senior leaders and heated arguments over the direction of the assistant."


The data that was obtained about Siri coming from the data science and engineering team was simply not being used, with some former employees calling it "a waste of time and money."

Ahem ... does ANY of the above sound familiar to long term Apple fans and product/software users here?

Smells AWEFULLY familiar to Forstall pushing for Apple Maps and ... in a twist of below ...


Apple CEO Tim Cook personally attempted to persuade engineers who helped Apple modernize its search technology to stay at the company, before they left to work on large-language models at Google.
[twisting the above]

Apple CEO Tim Cook personally attempted to demand Forstall whom lead the team to create Apple Maps to write a public apology to be filmed or viewed on their website publicly, which led to him being ousted from Apple, forcing what Tim Cook should've done was to gather the team to properly modernize its Maps app technology, before continually falling behind Google for years before eventually catching up.

In 2019, the Siri team explored a project to rewrite the virtual assistant from scratch, codenamed "Blackbird." The effort sought to create a lightweight version of Siri that would delegate the creation of functions to app developers and would run on iPhones instead of the cloud to improve performance and privacy. Demos of Blackbird apparently prompted excitement among Apple employees owing to its utility and responsiveness.

Blackbird competed with the work of two senior leaders on the Siri team who were responsible for helping Siri understand and respond to queries. These individuals pushed for their own project, codenamed "Siri X," for the 10th anniversary of the virtual assistant. The project simply aimed to move Siri's processing on-device for privacy reasons, without the lightweight, modular functionality of Blackbird.
So why was Tim rewarded far too handsomely by letting such a crucial part of the ecosystem rust in the code?! Grrrrr.
 
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