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"Require Passcode: Immediately" is my only option

d123 said:
I suppose for those who can't spare the 0.5 seconds it takes to read your print it might seem an inconvenience ;).
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I'm sorry, but it's just unnatural.

You are holding it and using a finger to swipe the message, and it would be natural to continue holding the phone in this manner as you type your reply message. Instead, you must rearrange how you are holding it to put your thumb over the home key, and then rearrange again to start typing your message with your finger.

I get that your response is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but yes, when carrying on a texting conversation where 15-20 messages might be sent over a 5 minute period, it is extremely annoying to continually have to unlock your phone -- even if each individual delay and thumb-gesture is minimal.

Just does not make a lot of sense to completely remove an option that people use for no other reason than thinking you know better.
 
was really wondering this myself.. My company requires a passcode as well, but I can set it to ANY time up to 4 hours, but now with the fingerprint sensor, I can only set it to immediately and this kills me
 
deadwalrus said:
I'm sorry, but it's just unnatural.

You are holding it and using a finger to swipe the message, and it would be natural to continue holding the phone in this manner as you type your reply message. Instead, you must rearrange how you are holding it to put your thumb over the home key, and then rearrange again to start typing your message with your finger.

I get that your response is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but yes, when carrying on a texting conversation where 15-20 messages might be sent over a 5 minute period, it is extremely annoying to continually have to unlock your phone -- even if each individual delay and thumb-gesture is minimal.

Just does not make a lot of sense to completely remove an option that people use for no other reason than thinking you know better.
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You can also set other fingers, if I'm holding the phone in my hand I unlock with the tip of my forefinger.

I set both left and right thumbs and forefingers so no matter how I'm holding the phone it's simple to touch the sensor without having to change grip.
 
d123 said:
You can also set other fingers, if I'm holding the phone in my hand I unlock with the tip of my forefinger.

I set both left and right thumbs and forefingers so no matter how I'm holding the phone it's simple to touch the sensor without having to change grip.
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It's still extra steps. Unlike unlocking from sleep, where your thumb is already resting on the home button, this needlessly creates friction. It kills the purpose of the swipe-to-unlock.

/rant
 
If you don't like it, post feedback at apple.com/feedback.

I did. I just want the same lock screen timeout for fingerprints that 4-digit pins have. Really don't understand the unnecessary step for fingerprints of making the phone unlock require a passcode immedidately. 15 minutes of sleep before needing to be unlocked is plenty.

I check my phone and sleep my phone very frequently at times, and it'd be nice if they treated fingerprints the same way they treat pins.
 
Submitted feedback earlier today on this - glad to hear I'm not alone.

My hands are large and my thumb started cramping up from bending it down to the home button so frequently.

That, and the fact my fingerprint barely ever registers (mechanic, lots of dead skin and calloused fingers) made me turn touchid completely off for the time being. It seems every time I got the sensor correctly calibrated, I'd take a shower the next day and the phone wouldn't recognize me. Super annoying when the phone locks "immediately" after I turn the screen off!!
 
The point of a passcode with the Touch ID isn't to make it more secure, it's to add a backup in case your finger suddenly doesn't get recognized or the Touch ID sensor breaks.
 
There's not really any noticeable delay on my phone with using TouchID. In fact, when I was demonstrating it to the poor sods in my household with lesser iPhones, the first reaction was, "it just hasn't timed out so that you need to unlock it" because it unlocks so quickly. People had to look close to see the brief flash of the unlock screen.
 
No 5S for me (yet), but reading this thread makes me curious.

There are plenty of times when I'll get numerous texts and emails at about the same time. So long as it's under the 5 minutes for the passcode, I can swipe to get into whichever notification I choose.

Since 'Immediately' is now the only option, I'm guessing that ability is gone and, if it is, that seems like a big inconvenience to have to then find and open the app rather than quickly swipe into it from the lock screen.
 
cyks said:
No 5S for me (yet), but reading this thread makes me curious.

There are plenty of times when I'll get numerous texts and emails at about the same time. So long as it's under the 5 minutes for the passcode, I can swipe to get into whichever notification I choose.

Since 'Immediately' is now the only option, I'm guessing that ability is gone and, if it is, that seems like a big inconvenience to have to then find and open the app rather than quickly swipe into it from the lock screen.
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You are exactly right, and it's the main reason I now have Touch ID off. Having to scan my fingerprint and then go to texts, or swiping the notification and then having to enter my passcode made me feel very "disconnected" from my phone. There needs to be another option besides "Immediate"
 
SMELTN said:
My company requires a passcode as well, but I can set it to ANY time up to 4 hours, but now with the fingerprint sensor, I can only set it to immediately and this kills me
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4 hours is a very bad security practice. If 4 hours why require a passcode at all?

deadwalrus said:
It's still extra steps. Unlike unlocking from sleep, where your thumb is already resting on the home button, this needlessly creates friction. It kills the purpose of the swipe-to-unlock.
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Friction? Swipe - unlock. What are the extra steps?

cyks said:
There are plenty of times when I'll get numerous texts and emails at about the same time. So long as it's under the 5 minutes for the passcode, I can swipe to get into whichever notification I choose.

Since 'Immediately' is now the only option, I'm guessing that ability is gone and, if it is, that seems like a big inconvenience to have to then find and open the app rather than quickly swipe into it from the lock screen.
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Nope.
 
PNutts said:
4 hours is a very bad security practice. If 4 hours why require a passcode at all?



Friction? Swipe - unlock. What are the extra steps?



Nope.
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Smltn I agree with you 100%. Not sure why this pnutt guy is so closed minded to some very valid points. If he really likes the immediate option he has every right to choose that, but for those of use that would like to be less secure, I'm not sure why the immediate only setting should be imposed on us.
 
On a related note:

I've also noticed that some combination of these fingerprint options seems to be blocking my ability to use TouchID w/ iTunes and App Store purchases. I'm not exactly sure what's going on yet, but I think it has to do with the fact that I have a different Apple ID for my iCloud account and for my iTunes / Apple Store account and the above issues. Clearly some bugs or lack of granularity with TouchID.
 
If you are actively using your phone, it doesn't just lock, regardless of what you are doing. So, if you are in an active text conversation or etc. your phone stays unlocked and usable.

It only locks if you aren't actively using it and let the screen turn off, or tap the button to turn it off…. this has not changed from prior iOS versions.

I can play Songpop on mine, game after game and I don't have to scan my print constantly!

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bobsaget123 said:
Smltn I agree with you 100%. Not sure why this pnutt guy is so closed minded to some very valid points. If he really likes the immediate option he has every right to choose that, but for those of use that would like to be less secure, I'm not sure why the immediate only setting should be imposed on us.
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Because he's logical and rational!!

If you don't like how it works, turn off the fingerprint scanner! Problem solved!
 
This is also driving me nuts. Please, everyone that hates this, send feedback to Apple. This isn't a bug, it is a choice they made for everyone else that if you want to use your fingerprint, you have to do it EVERY SINGLE TIME the phone is locked. If someone wants to do that, fine. But I want the ability to set it to be five minutes or whatever I want it to be so I can still swipe to respond to texts when in a conversation but still be able to lock my phone so I don't make pocket calls. Seems like a very simple fix and there isn't any way that forcing everyone to only have immediately as their only option makes fingerprints any more or less secure. Just like with passcodes, you should be able to choose how long you want the phone unlocked whether it be 1 minute or 4 hours or whatever. I also have now turned off fingerprints due to this which is a shame because its a great feature, just annoying to have to do every single time. You can go here to request the times that are there as a choice when they are turned off:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
 
bobsaget123 said:
Smltn I agree with you 100%. Not sure why this pnutt guy is so closed minded to some very valid points. If he really likes the immediate option he has every right to choose that, but for those of use that would like to be less secure, I'm not sure why the immediate only setting should be imposed on us.
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Close minded? :rolleyes: I stated an well known opinion on security practices, asked a question, and corrected an erroneous assumption.
 
verwon said:
If you are actively using your phone, it doesn't just lock, regardless of what you are doing. So, if you are in an active text conversation or etc. your phone stays unlocked and usable.

It only locks if you aren't actively using it and let the screen turn off, or tap the button to turn it off…. this has not changed from prior iOS versions.

I can play Songpop on mine, game after game and I don't have to scan my print constantly!

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Because he's logical and rational!!

If you don't like how it works, turn off the fingerprint scanner! Problem solved!
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Wow great minds think alike... I have turned off the fingerprint scanner, and I would rather not have to do that. This is why we are frustrated with the setting, I don't understand how you can't at least understand our frustration without saying "it's no big deal."

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PNutts said:
Close minded? :rolleyes: I stated an well known opinion on security practices, asked a question, and corrected an erroneous assumption.
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Thank you PNutts-- thanks to your "correction" it is no longer an inconvenience to me. I really appreciate you clearing it up that having to enter my fingerprint or passcode instead of being able to swipe to reply is not annoying to myself and many other users.
 
bobsaget123 said:
Thank you PNutts-- thanks to your "correction" it is no longer an inconvenience to me. I really appreciate you clearing it up that having to enter my fingerprint or passcode instead of being able to swipe to reply is not annoying to myself and many other users.
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No worries. Glad to help other folks in the forum who need it. Especially when I made no comments to them directly and did not say anything they think I did. That's how good I am!

But since you brought it up, cyks was wondering out loud, "Since 'Immediately' is now the only option, I'm guessing that ability is gone and, if it is, that seems like a big inconvenience to have to then find and open the app rather than quickly swipe into it from the lock screen." Emphasis mine.

He was not stating a fact. You do not have to unlock the phone with Touch ID to the home screen or Siri and then open the Messages app to reply. That was my "Nope". By now you may know that you can swipe to reply on the lockscreen, use Touch ID, which takes you directly to the message to reply. His comment and my response had nothing to do with swipe to reply with no authentication at all.

Ah, heck. Since I'm here I'll build a wall of text.

My comment about the 4 hour passcode requirement has nothing to do with requiring immediate authentication. It's about allowing a device to be lost and unlocked for four hours instead of a shorter time. Where I work HIPAA applies to our mobile devices. The head of security wanted a five minute idle time lock and I negotiated him up to 15 minutes as a convenience to our users. If you lose your phone in a taxi, leave it in a hotel room, etc., you want it to lock before someone gets their hands on it. Again, the comment was about how long do you let the phone remain unlocked. Not about locking immediately.

I still don't know what the friction comment was about.

Maybe you confused my comments with someone else who was disagreeing with you?
 
Micahjw said:
This is also driving me nuts. Please, everyone that hates this, send feedback to Apple. This isn't a bug, it is a choice they made for everyone else that if you want to use your fingerprint, you have to do it EVERY SINGLE TIME the phone is locked. If someone wants to do that, fine. But I want the ability to set it to be five minutes or whatever I want it to be so I can still swipe to respond to texts when in a conversation but still be able to lock my phone so I don't make pocket calls. Seems like a very simple fix and there isn't any way that forcing everyone to only have immediately as their only option makes fingerprints any more or less secure. Just like with passcodes, you should be able to choose how long you want the phone unlocked whether it be 1 minute or 4 hours or whatever. I also have now turned off fingerprints due to this which is a shame because its a great feature, just annoying to have to do every single time. You can go here to request the times that are there as a choice when they are turned off:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
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I wonder how many people who wanted an idle time before locking have sent feedback to Apple?
 
I really don't understand why it's such a big deal. Okay, it may be since most people have had years of the same routine with their iPhones; now, you'll just have learn this new routine if you want to use TouchID to unlock. But, honestly, I think using the fingerprint unlock is a lot faster than swiping to unlock (even if the passcode requirement hasn't kicked in). I think it was done this way (if you have passcode unlock via fingerprint on), so that it creates a more fluid motion, since you'll have your finger on the home button already. Plus, it takes out the "guess work" if the X amount of time has elapsed before fingerprint/passcode is needed to unlock. Since, I think that if the immediate option wasn't selected, the FP sensor wouldn't be activated and create a scenario where you would have to swipe and see that it's now locked and you either have to put your finger back or type your code - which, creates a lot of unnecessary steps.
 
Annoying Immediately Require Password

I also find this incredibly annoying and I reported it to apple.com/feedback.
 
deadwalrus said:
It's still extra steps. Unlike unlocking from sleep, where your thumb is already resting on the home button, this needlessly creates friction. It kills the purpose of the swipe-to-unlock.

/rant
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It sounds like you have a really hard life.
 
bobsaget123 said:
I agree 100%. Requiring passcode immediately reduces functionality as I had described before (can't swipe to respond, etc). Doesn't quite make sense to me why this would be on purpose.
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You can swipe to respond. Swipe the notification that you want to respond to,then put your finger on the home button to use Touch ID.

EDIT: I see this has been covered. But really...it's not that big of a deal. Apple introduces a piece of technology that is implemented far better than anyone has ever done on a mobile phone, and people are whining because they have to rest a finger or thumb on their phone for .5 seconds to unlock their phone?

I'm not sure I have words to describe how crazy that sounds.
 
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