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Oh...oh exactly my thoughts. Seriously, who hasn't two Mac's? Totally natural that you can't restore a 5k+ device by himself.
 
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This sounds disturbing to me.

I've always treated iOS devices as "appliances", they're basically not "full computers" because you can't run unsigned code on them and you need Apple's permission to install the operating system. (Every time you restore an iOS device it has to authorize with Apple's servers to get an installation key.)

Macs have never had this problem; they've always been "full computers" because you can run whatever you want on them.

Now the iMac Pro requires another Mac to reinstall the OS, which suggests that you need Apple's permission to reinstall the OS, just like on an iOS device. This is scary because it may mean Apple is planning on fully locking down the Mac as a platform.

I'm willing to accept iOS devices as "appliances" but only because I've had my Mac to fall back on as an open computing device. How much longer will that be the case?

If you brick your existing mac - pull the power while updating the firmware, for example - you’d be just as screwed. At least with the iMac pro they are clearly outlining the recovery procedure.
 
It makes sense for the security and for production companies/businesses that have more than one Mac, not a problem. It is good that they make this available (and kudos to the folks who found that support page.)

This sort of makes me think of needing a wired keyboard and mouse for a few instances where I need those to reinstall my Mac OS, even though my iMac shipped with wireless peripherals. Glad to still have those around.
 
With 2 or 3 day genius appt ?
Yeah that’s gotten really bad. I live in Silicon Valley where there are around 8 different apple stores within easy drive from my home or office, and it’s nearly impossible to get an appointment less than 48 hours out. They need to do something about that.
 
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Unless you live in Montana, Wyoming, the Dakotas, West Virginia, Saskatchewan, any other part of northern Canada, or in any other part of the US or Canada that's not within 200 miles of an Apple Store.

And that's only 2 out of 3 countries in North America, there are plenty of cities around the world without an Apple Store.

Oh, and then let's say there is an Apple Store. There might not be a genius bar appointment available for a few days. If you spend 5 grand MINIMUM on a ****ing computer, you shouldn't have to wait a few days.



I don't. All my friends and family are PC people.
So you’re saying no Best Buy, third party retail/repair shop, etc. have any macs besides Apple stores?

You spend $5k+. You should be proud your information is this safe. Spend $500 on a used MacBook Air and you get the same quality treatment from Apple. Spending more doesnt mean preferred treatment.
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With 2 or 3 day genius appt ?
Your point...?

You rather have your data and information stolen because it didn’t brick, then cry about all the legal issues you have to go through to shutdown everything the thieves used your information to do?
 
You rather have your data and information stolen because it didn’t brick, then cry about all the legal issues you have to go through to shutdown everything the thieves used your information to do?

How is this system safer than what we have now with FileVault2?
 
So you’re saying no Best Buy, third party retail/repair shop, etc. have any macs besides Apple stores?

You spend $5k+. You should be proud your information is this safe. Spend $500 on a used MacBook Air and you get the same quality treatment from Apple. Spending more doesnt mean preferred treatment.

News flash: Some people live in rural areas. Hundreds of miles from the nearest Best Buy or independent repair shop.

Your point...?

You rather have your data and information stolen because it didn’t brick, then cry about all the legal issues you have to go through to shutdown everything the thieves used your information to do?

You say that as if anyone who doesn't use a $5,000 computer with this stupid feature is automatically going to get their information stolen. I've never had my information stolen, and I certainly don't have an iMac Pro. It's called not being an idiot - using secure passwords, not falling for phishing scams, etc. Common sense does a lot more to prevent identity theft than an overpriced, locked down computer.
 
It's pretty ridiculous that you can spend that amount of money and have to take it into an Apple Store (I'm assuming they'll help) or have another supporting Mac.

It's pretty ridiculous to buy a workstation like this and not get a UPS and surge protector for it.

I can see Apple putting this T2 in future Macs; that's pretty much a deal-breaker for me. I'm not keeping multiple Macs around just in case something breaks one of them.

Why don't you just have a battery backup for your desktop machines? That will make the odds infinitesimally small that you'll ever hit a problem like this. Then you can find something a bit more meaningful to complain about.
 
News flash: Some people live in rural areas. Hundreds of miles from the nearest Best Buy or independent repair shop.

News Flash: The majority of people on this planet live near populated areas. If you happen to be one of the few that require a high-end creative machine and live hundreds of miles away from an Apple Store AND don't own a 2nd Mac, then this isn't the machine for you.

If you fall into the case of the other 99.99% of people actually considering this machine, it's not a bad option.
 
News Flash: The majority of people on this planet live near populated areas. If you happen to be one of the few that require a high-end creative machine and live hundreds of miles away from an Apple Store AND don't own a 2nd Mac, then this isn't the machine for you.

If you fall into the case of the other 99.99% of people actually considering this machine, it's not a bad option.

It's only a matter of time until this is in every Mac. Then it becomes a huge problem, and basically rules out Mac ownership for the people who don't live near populated areas.
 
It's pretty ridiculous to buy a workstation like this and not get a UPS and surge protector for it.

Why don't you just have a battery backup for your desktop machines? That will make the odds infinitesimally small that you'll ever hit a problem like this. Then you can find something a bit more meaningful to complain about.

For sure. I have UPSs on all my important equipment, including routers and switches. But I think the fact that it can happen regardless with no recourse but a second Mac is the issue.
 
News Flash: The majority of people on this planet live near populated areas.
News Flash: If you're going to talk about "this planet", lose your U.S.-centric mindset. People living in developed parts of this planet don't have cars because they never need one. Except when Apple decides that a $5000+ computer must be carried to an Apple Store to switch it back on.
 
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