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installing from scratch is always better than using software you don't know who manipulated it.

that's the right approach.

what you're doing is wrong.
 
Yeah but it's a command line tool and not everyone wants to venture into Terminal. And then you still have to get the stupid App Store to LET you download it. Right now on my Mac Mini 2018, upgraded to Big Sur, if I am on the App Store, and I search for Catalina or Mojave (Both supported), it finds nothing. They are now effectively locking you out from downgrading if you don't have the install media created previously.

Why can't they just provide a GUI version in System Preferences? So you can install every OS your Mac supports at the click of a button.

I've had issues with Internet Restore too on some Macs.
FYI, you can still download older macOS/OS X versions. You just have to find the help article. I agree though, it should be a simpler process.
 
Oh my god come on Apple! People do the erase and install all the time my god to not have this ready.

I would just be happy holding the computer though even if it didn't work :)
 
Hi, it happened to my while updating MacBook Air from 11.0.0 (it was delivered with) to 11.0.1. After updating Air M1 was working, was connected to WiFi (IP address) but not able to access Internet.

After hour of trying I've found fix. Yo need to start in Recover Mode (long pressing Power/Touch ID) and atria loading choose Unlock your Mac from one of top menus. It will ask for connecting to WiFi, then for Apple ID and password and finally factory install your MB (download, wipe disk and finally install).

Cheers.
Piotr
 
I just received my M1 MacBook Pro and Macbook Air. Because I don't need any of the included software, it is always my procedure to restore the operating system without things like garage band and iMovie.
Just delete those apps, it is macaoS not windows
 
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FYI, you can still download older macOS/OS X versions. You just have to find the help article. I agree though, it should be a simpler process.
it a mess. last 2 week i want to clean up old mac mini . No dmg in apple developer like old days . In the end restart, clear all disk drive and install internet thing and it install yosimete and upgrade back to catalina and upgrade to big surr beta. the main problem old macos don't have the 2fa.
 
I generally don’t restore another Mac to a new one that I set up, especially if the old one is significantly older. Too much cruft around the system. There’s no way I’d ever port across completely different architectures! That’s just asking for trouble. These are clean and lean machines that are first generation and I’d run them stock and only bring over what is necessary that isn’t complex or likely to cause issues. In a year or two we can be a bit more rough with these things.
 
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I gotta say, this is not on the list of things I like

Well, that will either be short-lived or you’re going to find that pretty much all platforms suck.

The reality is software systems are simply getting bigger and more complex. This has less to do with Apple’s software QA and more to do with painful realities. (And if you value stability you’re always better off waiting for major updates anyway on every platform.)

Anyone who thinks Apple software is of lesser stability or quality now clearly didn’t use the original OS X or even the awful OSes before that.

For all the talk of “bloat” and instability these days, the truth is that the minimum requirements are orders of magnitude more complex than 20 years ago. People should really spend more time focusing on what they like from platforms rather than looking for something with better QA. If you really want stability, use Ubuntu LTS.
Been on OS X since the paid public beta (which was $29).

Charing for OSes allowed users to hold Apple to account.

The early versions were feature limited and incredibly slow. But I don't remember ever having my computer become bricked. It was a huge advancement and moving forward in underlying technology, and I just don't see that today. And honestly I liked System 7, and Mac OS 8 and 9. Yes, they did crash sometimes, and some of the Macs from the mid 90s were pretty awful. But there was still a lot of care in their design, even if the underling technology wasn't great.

I have some rather esoteric use cases, so I tend to notice the wallpaper peeling off the walls earlier than others. I noticed a shift in Apple's software quality trajectory both with OS X Lion and also with whichever version of iMovie came out after iMovie HD 6.
 
I understand the whole desire to wipe the new Mac & "start clean" but you can delete those stock apps from Launch Pad without having to go through that hassle.View attachment 1671450

Meanwhile Apple will definitely improve the restoration process.
And manually go through Application support library folder where Garageband keeps most of its files. There is a point in restoring a new mac and it should obviously work out of the box.
 
I ran into this issue too and was able to work around it. I was initially erasing the disk using disk utility, following the instructions here
This failed with "...personalize software..". Tried like 4-5 times.
Then I discovered the recovery assistant app had an "Erase Mac..." option in the menu. When I used that instead of disk utility, the installation of Big Sur worked. No DFU mode needed.

During the failed installs, checking the install logs, the underlaying error message was "Failed to update boot policy for OS". Not sure what that means, but my guess was that volumes was not correctly set up after erasing in disk utility.

The reason I wanted to try a clean install was that I was seeing multiple issues. Top 2 was
1) No iCloud drive files showing up
2) After purchasing the Pixelmator Pro upgrade bundle, I could not download Pixelmator PRO (could on other Macs though)

Sadly, reinstalling everything from scratch didn't solve any of these issues for me.
 
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Really not sure why you would have to "babysit" Apple devices. I have 4 Macs, 3 iPhones, 4 iPads, 3 Apple Watches amongst a host of other gear in our household. It's rare that anything actually goes wrong. What's more, a report or two of somebody having an error on restore on a day-old M1-based Mac is not something to think "right, that's enough, I am moving back to Windows PCs from now on". Of course, it's your money, your choice, but a bit of an over-reaction to say the least. Have to agree that Apple's QC is not what it used to be, but it's still better than Windows. A year or so ago, they released a Windows 10 update that totally screwed most of the machines it was installed on. Nobody is perfect. At least Apple control the hardware AND software so when the occasional glitch happens, they fix it.
 
I’m not sure why you would restore a brand new system upon receiving it. That’s just so bizarre to me! You could just remove iMovie or GarageBand and be good to go.
They acted like a windows user, that is what they do to get rid of all of the junk ware that comes on new windows machines. It’s quicker and cleaner reinstall windows cleanly. A Mac user has no reason to do this as you can simply remove the applications and they leave little to no files behind. Although, in this case it seems Big Sur has some issues with reinstallation which Apple need to fix pronto.
 
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They acted like a windows user, that is what they do to get rid of all of the junk ware that comes on new windows machines. It’s quicker and cleaner reinstall windows cleanly. A Mac user has no reason to do this as you can simply remove the applications and they leave little to no files behind.
The reason for the restore is really irrelevant to the fact that restoration failed. It just works!
 
I have a 2016 Dell and a 2019 MBP.

I think I’ve had to reboot the MBP more in two years than the Dell in five years.

If I ditched Apple, I’d miss iWork and iLife, but honestly, I think I’d go ahead and just go Windows only sooner than I’d go Mac only. Windows 10 is for Windows what Snow Leopard was for the Mac - rock steady. It just works. No pointless annual releases that reskin everything for the worse and somehow introduces a boatload of bugs despite delivering no worthwhile features.
2020 has been one f’up after another for Microsoft. Office and outlook issues, Windows 10 2004 issues, Windows 2H20 issues, TPM support issues. The list goes on And we haven’t even mentioned their ongoing Surface hardware issues...
 
The issue is not the reason why the user chosen to restore its machine, but that the restore process is buggy and some users got bitten by the bug. Some people around here are just incredible, don’t even understand how their brains allow them to earn enough money to buy these products.

On a positive note, once again Apple comes up with Disruptive Tech leading the way forward. It will be a interesting decade.

PS: Who was thinking about leaving Apple products and didn’t sooner, leaving now ... makes no sense ... in spite of growing number of software issues and UX ... hopefully it will be tackled.
 
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I bet these new M1 Macs are built by robots. they most likely took humans out and they are assembled by robots.
the proper meaning of APPLE wanting total control over the manufacturing process.
 
Really not sure why you would have to "babysit" Apple devices. I have 4 Macs, 3 iPhones, 4 iPads, 3 Apple Watches amongst a host of other gear in our household. It's rare that anything actually goes wrong. What's more, a report or two of somebody having an error on restore on a day-old M1-based Mac is not something to think "right, that's enough, I am moving back to Windows PCs from now on". Of course, it's your money, your choice, but a bit of an over-reaction to say the least. Have to agree that Apple's QC is not what it used to be, but it's still better than Windows. A year or so ago, they released a Windows 10 update that totally screwed most of the machines it was installed on. Nobody is perfect. At least Apple control the hardware AND software so when the occasional glitch happens, they fix it.
I feel so blessed that my pair of Windows 10 babies survived this terrible update that totally screwed the other 900 million Windows 10 PCs? 😂😂😂
 
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Just delete those apps, it is macaoS not windows
This is the things that give tech support nightmares. You give an end user a brand new computer and they'll figure out a way to break it. You can't predict this stuff but Apple will patch it. It's like the guy who invented the electrical outlet didn't think anyone would stick forks in them. We're still waiting for that patch ;)
 
Personally I used to be one of those types that clean installed each new OS but I gave up doing that years ago. I don't use iCloud on my Mac, in fact I use each device (iPhone iPad and iMac) for different things so iCloud would just be a royal pain so I have to put up with a red 1 on system preferences for another year. I have already had to do a recovery reinstall of Big Sur on my 27" 2017 iMac as the first install let me change the login wallpaper which is something it should not have done so the boot snapshot was screwed, it seems better now but that should have not happened. I also have windows that change place each time you open them (I'm looking at you Disc Utility) that ended up partially below the dock!

I like Big Sur in many ways but it points to a convergence where I foresee a 24" very fast iPad Pro with a stand attached as the new iMac. I'm not sure about this and time will tell in the design language how much the two operating systems are becoming one. If it continues for desktops and they do look like giant iPads with a stand I'll move back to a windows main computer and avoid Apple silicon as no matter what this bug should not have happened, even on a revision one machine.

Windows machines last as long as you keep replacing parts and do not have a 5 year life span at a £3000 price point like my iMac. Looking at what I could have bought for that price in the windows world makes me realise Apple computers are way over priced and they are not fun to use any more. Apple has gotten so buggy with its computers I may as well flex the windows memory muscle and get more for my money, and just stick with my iPad and iPhone.
 
I just said to someone today: Apple has one of the most powerful personal computers starting at $899 (EDU pricing), and yet I'm still probably going to move to Windows because the software quality has gotten so much worse over time. But then I thought: Well maybe the M1 Macs will be different! And then I see this. And honestly I have no idea what Windows is like. I probably last used it in the year 2000. Just tired of having to babysit my Apple devices.

Are you kidding me! Windows is 10,000 times worst and their technology is like 10 years behind too! Don't forget the Windows Mobile, Windows 8, and Windows Vista failures, those sent Microsoft back to the Stone Age!

 
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