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Then I'm glad Apple picked Steve Jobs over you, because your plan is exactly how Apple almost went bankrupt in the 90s. They had dozens computers at overlapping specs and price points, no clear sales vision, just trying to be everything to everyone. Apple was still selling tons of computers each tailor made for the users exact desires, but they were bleeding to death from the low margins.

You're in business so you must understand that every computer you don't sell cuts in to the profits of the ones you do sell. This can work for someone like Dell, but then again they have no extra overhead, they just buy the parts wholesale and assemble them, no R&D, no OS to write.

Apples strategy for the last, very profitable, 8 years has been to have a simplified clearly delineated line of computers with no overlap in pricing or functionality. Instead of making computers to fit the consumer, they make the consumers fit the computer, most peoples computer needs fall somewhere between the iMac and the mac mini, but Apple doesn't make anything in-between, it forces you to pick.

And this is Steve Jobs brilliance, don't chase the customer, make the customer chase you, high margin lower volume sales are the chosen path. The Mac Mini will always have bottom of the barrel chipset graphics because anything else would cut into iMac sales, there will never be an xMac(midrange mac with expansion slots) because it would hurt iMac and mac pro sales.

No offense but Apple could be doing much better.. Look at Bill Gates his company became one of the most successful companies in the modern day making him one of the richest men alive. All from selling for the most part crappy software.

If Apple would get over the wanting to be a over priced hardware company and actually go head to head with Microsoft.. I think they would take a very sizable share of the market place.

If Apple would actually become a software company and sell their OS and develop it to work on a normal PC.. I bet you anything they would make double the profits that they make now, if not more.

Everyone knows windows sucks, however it's the only choice for the average computer user and it works with just about everything. If Apple pushed their OS into the marketplace it would blow windows away in sales after a few years.

Instead Apple chooses to be a over priced hardware company rather than a software company. So yea maybe they are earning record profits but they could be making much, much more. So IMO Steve Jobs isn't all that smart in business, he's good at branding and marketing a product but the company he's running is leaving so much on the table it's kinda bad business IMO.
 
Then I'm glad Apple picked Steve Jobs over you, because your plan is exactly how Apple almost went bankrupt in the 90s. They had dozens computers at overlapping specs and price points, no clear sales vision, just trying to be everything to everyone. Apple was still selling tons of computers each tailor made for the users exact desires, but they were bleeding to death from the low margins.

You're in business so you must understand that every computer you don't sell cuts in to the profits of the ones you do sell. This can work for someone like Dell, but then again they have no extra overhead, they just buy the parts wholesale and assemble them, no R&D, no OS to write.

Apples strategy for the last, very profitable, 8 years has been to have a simplified clearly delineated line of computers with no overlap in pricing or functionality. Instead of making computers to fit the consumer, they make the consumers fit the computer, most peoples computer needs fall somewhere between the iMac and the mac mini, but Apple doesn't make anything in-between, it forces you to pick.

And this is Steve Jobs brilliance, don't chase the customer, make the customer chase you, high margin lower volume sales are the chosen path. The Mac Mini will always have bottom of the barrel chipset graphics because anything else would cut into iMac sales, there will never be an xMac(midrange mac with expansion slots) because it would hurt iMac and mac pro sales.

and this just goes to show you that you don't sell macs for a living. I do and I'm expressing what a lot of my customers and people I talk to tell me on an everyday basis.

And what I said doesnt throw Apple into the 90's, it puts them in competition with whats selling a lot these days:

1. Internet laptop : slim, modern, under $800. what the Air is but with macbook material and less technology. The Air is customer need designed so it goes to show you Apple does make computers to FIT the customers, they threw it in between the macbook and the macbook pro!!! they should do the same for their other product gaps, thats all I'm saying

2. Sub or around but not more than $500 headless CPU (what the mac mini is trying to be) to go after the lower class and corporation and educational volume sales... the cheap computer market is out there... I dont know where you live but go to a computer store and go see what sells the most...

3. Gaming machine for gamers (so they finally buy a Mac) because they ALL have a windows box for gaming and they WILL NOT spend the money on a Mac Pro.... ever..... the headless Mac is missing a 1000 - 1500 price range that wont cut into mac mini sales and mac pro sales, its just missing, and gamers fit that market because they will void the warranty right away and they dont care, they want to fiddle with their machines and tweak them to their needs... let them buy mac pro graphics cards and put them in there with a huge fan, in the end theyll have a close to 2K machine that is nothing like their mac pro, big graphics tons of storage and big ram they dont need 8 cores and an aluminum case and 4 hard drive bays and 2 optical bays, no firewire 800 and no digital audio out, take all that out and you get what they need...

my price ranges are NOT overlapping, read my post again please

the notebook is in a totally different league, it just hasnt been done and it would open a new mac market which is being filled with people buying older iBooks and Powerbooks that DO eat new macbook sales. I try to get people to buy new macbooks but the $1000 line is just not in everyones budget

the Mac Mini is just not selling very well because people choose a Wintel box with A LOT more specs for under 600 so if apple would make less they would sell more and thus make more

the gaming machine is just to open up to the reluctant gamers who for the last 8 years have been sticking to their PC because they, again, WILL NOT BUY the mac option for gaming which is the Mac Pro. it will not cut into mac pro sales because these people are just not buying the Mac in any model and this mac would not be appealing to the Mac Pro buyers who want a beautiful expensive-looking top of the line config

the iMac well, I've had a LOT of people buying used intel iMacs and even G5s because of the dislike of the glossy screen, its not forcing people to buy the Mac Pro with a matte cinema display, its making people look for other non mac option... heck i have a guy who bought an imac 2.4 and stuck a dell 24" monitor to it just because he wanted true colors to look at

people want to buy a Mac, but a lot are buying PCs because there is no mac option and they will not spend $1000 because apple wont budge. and THAT cuts into my sales and apple and only apple can fix this

oh and dont get me started on overlapping specs and price points from apple.. look at the ipod line ! its like you can buy lets see:

1gb shuffle 50
2gb shuffle 80
--------GAP-------- insert ipod here
4gb nano 150
8gb nano 200
80gb classic 250 - -
8gb touch 300 - -
160gb classic 350 - -overlap - -
16gb touch / iphone 400 - -
32gb touch 499 - -

and I understand the touch , the iphone and the classic are totally different but again, goes to show you apple DOES make products to FIT customer needs and that they do have products competing in price against each other, as long as theyre not in the same family which is what I propose (you can differentiate macs as all in one and headless, and laptops of course....)
 
No offense but Apple could be doing much better.. Look at Bill Gates his company became one of the most successful companies in the modern day making him one of the richest men alive. All from selling for the most part crappy software.

********------ yes, true but we dont want Apple to sell the OS to PCs... --------*******

If Apple would get over the wanting to be a over priced hardware company and actually go head to head with Microsoft.. I think they would take a very sizable share of the market place.

********------ ok but this would be a hard thing to do... there are just too many bad PC hardware and it will only make the OS not work well--------*******

If Apple would actually become a software company and sell their OS and develop it to work on a normal PC.. I bet you anything they would make double the profits that they make now, if not more.

*********------- they can get the software sales with hardware sales, see post below-----*******

Everyone knows windows sucks, however it's the only choice for the average computer user and it works with just about everything. If Apple pushed their OS into the marketplace it would blow windows away in sales after a few years.

****----- again yes, windows sucks but the way to get to them is by selling them a mac and not just the software... do you own a mac? you dont sound mac-user like, sorry if I'm worng--------***

Instead Apple chooses to be a over priced hardware company rather than a software company. So yea maybe they are earning record profits but they could be making much, much more. So IMO Steve Jobs isn't all that smart in business, he's good at branding and marketing a product but the company he's running is leaving so much on the table it's kinda bad business

*******------- Apple has always been a Hardware+Software Company. Steve is The Man! his business vision is very closed but its working very well and his actual business growth pace is good. I believe theyre leaving some business on the table but its not bad business, its just not being exploded, but that doesnt mean its bad... --------*********

IMO.


my post is in between your lines
 
Apple store is in the process of being updated

It's coming... they are updating apple store to unveil...

OS X 11!
 
newbie or not, i told you it's monday. and that's a while ago. you didn't believe me. now you owe me a new imac :D:D
 
my post is in between your lines

I understand your points, I'm just giving you my perspective as a PC user. I've used Apples in the past I don't own one, but I'm about to buy my first for a project that I can only use a Apple on.

I've always never really liked Apples for the simple reason that I can't build what I want. Again, I will say I have nothing bad to say about the OS but it's the hardware end that kills it for me.

That's the best part about PC's is I can go order pretty much anything I want and custom build something to "my" specs at a very reasonable price. The draw back is I have for the most part one OS choice and that's windows.

I fit the 3D developer but also the casual gamer user that you posted about. I'm buying a Apple to work with unity3d so you could consider me a "pro" user but I won't pay $3to 5k for a over priced pro machine, so I'm buying a iMac to be used solely with unity and for a secondary computer on the side.

If it wasn't for the fact I need the machine for my project I would never in a million years buy a Apple desktop. I would also never buy a DEll or a HP ect..ect.. Simple fact as I want to be able to build what I want.

A Apple laptop wouldn't bug me so much, but again I think they are over priced. I can easily get a windows laptop with better specs much cheaper.

It's not like I'm alone either, you even appear to think there is a market there for people like me from reading your post above. I understand you don't think selling the OS to PC users is good for your biz (I'm assuming you are a Apple retailer) however that doesn't mean there isn't a marketplace for it.

There are many people like myself who, don't like windows but would rather put up with it than pay for a over priced machine that is out dated and non configurable.

Sure marketing the OS to PC users would hurt Apple computer sales.. That's not the point. It would open up a very large market place that is dominated by Microsoft and make for a bigger profit margin for Apple overal.
 
Well spotted. For some reason I never check the apple store until I read here if it is down or not. However I have managed to convince myself that the iMac wont get a better GPU so I am now browsing overclockers.co.uk for a cheap monster gaming machine :)

I'll go to the apple store on regent street on saturday and cry infront of the 24" ones before I go home and play the Age of Conan Beta :)

(with the money I save I might buy a macbook or a mac mini instead)
 
Sure marketing the OS to PC users would hurt Apple computer sales.. That's not the point. It would open up a very large market place that is dominated by Microsoft and make for a bigger profit margin for Apple overal.

I think this has to be the most common gripe (suggestion) against Apple, but its pretty easy to sling around suggestions when you are not the one who has to implement them, or deal with the consequences.

1) The consideration that would have to be given to developing drivers would drive (!) Apple NUTS!

2) The OS would not be anywhere near as stable, and given Apple's drive towards business users, this would be fiscally insane.

3) The current business model is profitable, and has significant longevity

4) Nearly ALL of those who complain about Apple's lack of an xMac or high prices are teenage boys with nothing better to do. You want quality? You gotta pay for it. And most people (rational, sane, employed, don't know what 3dMark means adults) do.
 
I think this has to be the most common gripe (suggestion) against Apple, but its pretty easy to sling around suggestions when you are not the one who has to implement them, or deal with the consequences.

1) The consideration that would have to be given to developing drivers would drive (!) Apple NUTS!

2) The OS would not be anywhere near as stable, and given Apple's drive towards business users, this would be fiscally insane.

3) The current business model is profitable, and has significant longevity

4) Nearly ALL of those who complain about Apple's lack of an xMac or high prices are teenage boys with nothing better to do. You want quality? You gotta pay for it. And most people (rational, sane, employed, don't know what 3dMark means adults) do.

1) Typically it's the hardware companies that make drivers to work with a OS on the PC side of things. Video cards for instance, Nvidia and ATI both make the drivers that support their cards. Microsoft doesn't make them.

2) Almost nothing is ever perfect the first try, but as they say.. can't never could.

3) Yes I'll agree it's profitable, but if you aren't increasing your market share you are losing it. Sure Apple is doing record profits right now, but they are doing it by selling a image. It's trendy to have a cute little iMac or MB.. ect..ect. How long can tendy last?

4) I'm not a teenager and I am self employed, I've also never installed 3dMark. I'll agree Apple does make a "quality" computer case.. Hence the reason I call them a "over priced computer case company". Meanwhile all the componants are the same as what can be found in any year old PC.. :p

In short the only thing Apple has going for them is the OS and fancy computer case, hence the reason I say they would have more profits if they focused on the software side of things. It's a much bigger market than selling trendy computers. I know I'm likely hurting feelings but I'm telling the truth.
 
I don't think its fair to say that all people who want a Mac they can totally BTO are bored teenagers. A higly configurable machine for people who want to game or really do anything would be great. I don't think it would kill sales either. OS X would still be a solid seller because people would still need it. Look at Dell, sure tons of people custom order their boxes, but a good chunk just click "Buy" next to the specs they like.

If I want to do something besides business productivity stuff (what "Apple" lampoons Mr. "PC" for consistently.....ironic) I'm screwed. What do I have for options? The Mac Pro which would still need a decent monitor and comes with a bunch of crap I wouldn't need (ports etc.) The Mac Mini? That thing barely qualifies as a computer. And the iMac, a worthy fit to my needs, minus having a good Graphics setup, still lacks the ability to customize, even at the point of sale.


Would it really really really REALLY be that hard for Apple to offer one customizable line that dose not come with a bunch of things the average custom-user (remember grandma can buy and configure a Dell) wouldn't want?

Given what they were able to do on the brink of oblivion and how they dominate the new media distribution I sincerely doubt that Apple's strategy team will be running around the board room screaming bloody murder because a small revamp to strategy is too hard.

I've got too much faith in Apple to think they are unable to do this, they're just unwilling.
 
Apple doesn't want the rumor mill stealing the thunder, so they'll throw them out today :)

Or...maybe it's to coincide with the "stimulus" checks going out today! HA!
 
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