Even though it is more glare coming from my 2008 Matte display, i find it not as bad as it could be. Overall the display is beautiful.
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Retina Macbook Pro, don't like the screen.
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Maybe, but it's good information for a lot of people. I use both matte and glossy displays, and the fact is, I get MUCH better results from matte screens in nearly all circumstances. Yes, glare can affect the entire screen a little -- but it's more even, and thus less of a disruption. I can see what I'm doing on matte screens, on glossy screens I constantly have to fuss with them and move around to distinguish the display from the reflections.
So while there's certainly some degree of preference here, there's a significant market for which there is a functional difference and only one option is usable for anything serious. This is why I continue to view the iPad primarily as a toy; fundamentally, the display cannot be made to work as well as a matte display for my purposes. (Which involve "looking at it in environments where there is some kind of other light source.")
No "maybe." Personal opinion is by definition "subjective." Objective is fact based. My only quibble with your post is that you stated OP was objective, but he was only giving his option. Nothing objective about that.
Most things are subjective, nothing wrong with that, what's the best os, the best laptop, the best car, everything is subjective, even if you boil it down to minor objective components you don't know what weight factor each one has to compare it. And btw its not subjective that the new rmbp is more reflective than matte, this is objective, so the op's opinion wasn't subjective at all in this respect, in the broader judgments it was.
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Yeas, I was referring to apple. I dont think that 3d parties will come up with coatings though, I am of the opinion these are close to unusable in terms of grain they introduce, you really have to bind it to the screen to make it work, and I can understand how one would put one on the previous gen reflective disaster but it offered some relief but as soon as all the detail of the retina on this one vanishes due to the crude matte coating people are going to take it away.
Thanks for sharing all that interesting info here, makes a nice change from the usual level of the forums.
I wonder what's holding back Sony from brining theses coatings to market, they are of the quite a few to have minimised reflections thus (although glass is what I ve mostly read about), maybe it's not only related to price, maybe the materials are unstable under use, or encironmentaly toxic who knows...
Btw do you have any insight as to why so few manufacturers come up with glossy coatings on ips panels? The best coating by far is, so far, to be found only on pva ones.
Hummm..
Dont know if thats even possible with this new technology. The glare is already reduced from the last models glossy display. The future is not matte, but i am sure something with the same effect could be used on this new retinal display.
I'm waiting for the inevitable matte version in the future too...hopefully on a MBA
Dont know if thats even possible with this new technology. The glare is already reduced from the last models glossy display. The future is not matte, but i am sure something with the same effect could be used on this new retinal display.
Guy, you should have read my original post on page 1 before posting your reply. Why don't you do that now and then you can either eat crow or your hat, whichever you prefer.
Guy, you should have read my original post on page 1 before posting your reply. Why don't you do that now and then you can either eat crow or your hat, whichever you prefer.
Easy there tiger, I read your original post and I don't subscribe to it, it's objective to say the pro has glare, thats what the op said, and that it annoyed him, the fact that it did doesn't mean it would others, but objectively the model has glare and this can annoy some people, these are both facts, unless you want to argue that no one will be annoyed by the Rmbps glare or that it doesn't have any.
Matte screens are, objectively, less reflective than non-matte screens. Look at the pictures in this thread. Look at the screens in the flesh. Nothing subjective about it. Look and learn.
Preference for one over the other - now, that's subjective.
See, now you know how to use these big words.
What? Yeah you go it, now try answering to what I said if you can.
Objective = A man in a brown hat walked into a liquor store.
Subjective = A boastful looking man, about 34 years in age, in an ugly brown hat walked into the dirtiest liquor store in the entire state.
If you can't understand the concept of objective vs. subjective it's kind of hard to have a meaningful conversation.
I'm waiting for the inevitable matte version in the future too...hopefully on a MBA
From what I understand, this isn't possible. The matte finish won't allow enough light through.
The glare on the rMBP is far less then I was expecting. I am coming from a matte, and it isn't too bad. Its well within reason.
I see you didn't reply again to what I said.
Let me repeat it for you, that the rmbp has glare/reflections is objective, that some people will find that annoying as the op did is also an objective reality. There's nothing subjective in all this. It's not his opinion that glare distracted him, it's a fact, and it is something that happens to quite a lot of people hence the proliferation of matte displays. He does not opine on his experience, it's simply an objective reality to him and to quite a few others. Bright sunlight, cold weather, humidity or anything that stresses our senses can be "annoying" to a lot of people, if it is it's an objective fact, it's not a subjective assessment of situation. Hope I made it a bit clearer for you.
I see you didn't reply again to what I said.
Let me repeat it for you, that the rmbp has glare/reflections is objective, that some people will find that annoying as the op did is also an objective reality. There's nothing subjective in all this. It's not his opinion that glare distracted him, it's a fact, and it is something that happens to quite a lot of people hence the proliferation of matte displays. He does not opine on his experience, it's simply an objective reality to him and to quite a few others. Bright sunlight, cold weather, humidity or anything that stresses our senses can be "annoying" to a lot of people, if it is it's an objective fact, it's not a subjective assessment of situation. Hope I made it a bit clearer for you.
Saying that it happens to "quite a lot of people" is subjective...what's "a lot?"
Saying that it happens to "quite a lot of people" is subjective...what's "a lot?"
^ Month old thread.
Did you actually compare the retina display with a matte screen MBP? I'm migrating from a 17" matte screen 2011 MBP which I was extraordinarily happy with. I usually work in a sunny room with a lot of west facing glass. I see zero glare on the retina. Even in a florescent-lit office, the glare on the retina display is negligible. Can you adjust the viewing angle so it has more glare than a matte screen? Sure. But it is well below the threshold of being an issue.
That is NOT the case with the typical glossy display on other MacBooks and other laptops. I bought the 17" matte screen specifically because the glare on the earlier glossy screens was horrible. Not so with the retina display. Which is why I boxed up my previous favorite computer of all time and sent it off to my business partner. The MBPr is my new favorite computer of all time.
Go to the Refridgerator.
Retrieve your favorite salad dressing.
Take a good look at it.
That's what you'll be pouring on your words so they taste good when you eat them. Before you know it, Apple will have anti-glare on the list of BTO / MBPr options.
MMMM.. so tasty
You win the prize for the most intelligent and well-researched post on the MacRumors forums so far this year. Well done. Have a cookie.
A lot is at least more than 10%.Saying that it happens to "quite a lot of people" is subjective...what's "a lot?"
This is how I "see" it
matte displays have GLARE (scattering of light)
glossy displays have REFLECTIONS (no scattering of light)
The rMBP has no glare, but a reflection, significantly reduced as compared to the glossy MBP.
For me, the rMBP screen is the clearest, most enjoyable computer display I have ever used (dating back to 1982 in HS computer class).
matte displays have GLARE (scattering of light)
glossy displays have REFLECTIONS (no scattering of light)
The rMBP has no glare, but a reflection, significantly reduced as compared to the glossy MBP.
For me, the rMBP screen is the clearest, most enjoyable computer display I have ever used (dating back to 1982 in HS computer class).
beta particle. THANK YOU!! so many people do not realize that matte screens are simply trading one for the other. I hear countless people saying "why would anyone get a glossy screen when they can get one without reflections" not realizing theres such a tradeoff. i NEVER liked matte screens for the things they stole from my color fidelity. i think the antiglare on the rmbp is a perfect solution and i hope they never go back to matte finish.