Where I saw the most lag/stuttering in my tests was clicking the full-screen button in 'iPhoto'. Didn't see you try switching in/out of full-screen apps in your vid.
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Retina MacBook Pro: no sign of a scroll lag
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really don't know who to believe here... I'm sure whatever it is it's going to be a huge upgrade over my 2006 MBP which was desperately due for an update (iphoto doesn't even sync with my iphone 4s anymore :-/)
Subconsciously. My apologies.
Like I said, I can't force you to be right, but in a situation like this (on a discussion forum where people are discussing their experiences), there's no right or wrong, despite what you may believe.
Thank you!
It's just a shame some people have to resort to insults when other don't agree with them.Did you also call your teachers in grade school 'liars' when they said you didn't hand in your homework, because they couldn't prove it to you?
Please check out the other videos I have here, there might be something to suit your needs:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1395554/
I'll see what I can do regarding iPhoto, but I don't have any images imported at this time. The transition to full screen is very smooth with an empty photo library though.
I've uploaded several videos and posted the links here:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1395554/
Let me know if there's anything else you'd like to see in that thread.
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Thanks so much man! Awesome video! Very smooth. So relieved. This is the same config I'm ordering as well and I've been put at ease. Upvoted.
Thank you!
I only state the facts jack, it's your choice to be insulted by them.
Calling other people liars does constitute as an insult I'm afraid, whether or not you choose to believe it.
What are you on about?
If someone claims it quacks like a duck, then it's a duck unless you can prove otherwise. You going onto a farm, pointing at a pig and saying "see, it's not a duck- he's a liar" is not proof otherwise.
That's exactly what's happening here. Someone's claiming it was smooth in their experience, then it's smooth unless you can prove otherwise. Your computer being laggy is not proof otherwise because there are variables. Even more so when it comes to computers.
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Last week, I had the MBPR in my shopping cart with all options maxed out (well over $4000) and last minute bailed and decided to wait it out. I plan to use my external NEC 27" pro display for my work but still curious to see how ML resolves some of the lagg issues people are experiencing. I just upgraded my current MBP from 10.4 Tiger to 10.6 SL and the Lightroom performance is acceptable enough to buy me some time. It just won't handle my live music rig for which I'm also waiting for Apple to release the TB to FW800 converter for my external presonus sound card.
I'm really concerned with a recent post where someone mentioned that standard HDD's will out live SSD's? This is news to me as I thought it was the other way around due to the lack of moving parts in SSD's. Some clarification would be appreciated.
On a side note..
I find this extremely entertaining to say the least..
@TheMacBookPro: Thankyou for your informative posts. The forum needs more of such mature attitude.
I'm really concerned with a recent post where someone mentioned that standard HDD's will out live SSD's? This is news to me as I thought it was the other way around due to the lack of moving parts in SSD's. Some clarification would be appreciated.
On a side note..
I find this extremely entertaining to say the least..
@TheMacBookPro: Thankyou for your informative posts. The forum needs more of such mature attitude.
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The perception of lag/smoothness is pretty subjective and we should be benchmarking with actual numbers (FPS).
Perhaps someone could install the frame rate meter Anand used for his review?
Anand says he got between 18 and 24 FPS in Lion when scrolling a Facebook news feed and he got between 20 and 30 FPS when doing the same in Mountain Lion.
That's not very good, but people seem to say that Facebook is far worse than the rest of websites. I do notice that it lags on my new iPad while other sites are fine (the full website, not the app/mobile website). I think it's mainly because it has a lot of content displayed, not because it's poorly coded (although it is), since I doubt some code is being executed while you're simply scrolling a page that's already loaded.
I'd like to also know the frame rates during OS animations such as Mission Control, Full screen, switching Spaces, etc. Those seem to be pretty demanding as well.
Perhaps someone could install the frame rate meter Anand used for his review?
Anand says he got between 18 and 24 FPS in Lion when scrolling a Facebook news feed and he got between 20 and 30 FPS when doing the same in Mountain Lion.
That's not very good, but people seem to say that Facebook is far worse than the rest of websites. I do notice that it lags on my new iPad while other sites are fine (the full website, not the app/mobile website). I think it's mainly because it has a lot of content displayed, not because it's poorly coded (although it is), since I doubt some code is being executed while you're simply scrolling a page that's already loaded.
I'd like to also know the frame rates during OS animations such as Mission Control, Full screen, switching Spaces, etc. Those seem to be pretty demanding as well.
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I'm curious
I have been pining for these to become available, but the lag has me worried. For those of you who are seeing a scrolling lag, are you finding issues with other programs? I do quite a bit of video editing, and though I can handle some issues in safari, I really can't edit at 18 fps.
I have been pining for these to become available, but the lag has me worried. For those of you who are seeing a scrolling lag, are you finding issues with other programs? I do quite a bit of video editing, and though I can handle some issues in safari, I really can't edit at 18 fps.
The reasons for SSD's reduced lifespan have been around for decades and is nothing new to Flash memory. In the early days of USB memory sticks Flash memory blocks were only good for about 10,000 writes. Modern Flash memory blocks are good for millions of writes. Unless you hang on to your computer for a decade or use it as a web server, you'll probably never see this issue.
There is no fix for this problem.
For everyone who is waiting for a "patch", "update" or Mountain Lion to fix this problem, it won't happen.
If you read the AnandTech article, it's a hardware problem not software.
The GPU and CPU are struggling with the hi res screen!
Apple seriously needs to address this and figure out a quick solution, otherwise there's going to be a lot of disappointed customers.
Potential buyers, one word of advice. Don't buy just yet!
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Read it !
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/8
It's not just scrolling. Don't you just love how people latch onto one small part of the problem, walk into an Apple store, and then think they've miraculous discovered that everyone who owns one was wrong? I own the rMBP and I'm typing on it now and it has pretty annoying levels of GUI animation stutter... It's annoying because I bought a Mac partially for the flawless experience. I still have a scroll stutter in Safari, especially when using the touchpad. It looks like *smooth scrolling* is the issue. Scrolling with a mouse wheel seems to work pretty well, because it's not a smooth scroll. I hope that ML fixes this issue as I will use my laptop on the go a lot.
One weird thing I noticed. Minimizing windows to the App icon produces less animation stutter than minimizing to the right hand part of the doc.
In case you're wondering about my authenticity as a user:
For everyone who is waiting for a "patch", "update" or Mountain Lion to fix this problem, it won't happen.
If you read the AnandTech article, it's a hardware problem not software.
The GPU and CPU are struggling with the hi res screen!
Apple seriously needs to address this and figure out a quick solution, otherwise there's going to be a lot of disappointed customers.
Potential buyers, one word of advice. Don't buy just yet!
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Read it !
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/8
Greetings everyone. I just got back from the Apple store and wanted to post my thoughts.
First off I'm a very critical person when it comes to hardware.
I *did* notice the scroll lag in both FB and theverge.com, however I really thought it was splitting hairs to focus over it. The lag was minimial and didn't affect the 'user experience'.
The thing I'm the most impressed with was the auto scaling of applications. I'm considering this or a MBA13 for heavy business travel, and by testing the entire MS Office Suite I was very impressed. Initially I didn't notice the 'blurry text', but when I went looking for it I saw it. Even then it's something that could be easily dealt with until it gets patched.
Lastly, I started with the rMBP then looked at the MBA. I didn't notice much special about the screen until I looked at the air. I'm typing on an Alienware m11x right now and I can't help but notice the 'hum' of the screen. I think the damn rMBP ruined me. I used to think this was a good screen...
I will be buying one, but the $2,199 model with 16gb of ram. The rMBP will be replacing my Alienware for on the road business travel, and I have been fine with 128gb SSD and still have half free.
First off I'm a very critical person when it comes to hardware.
I *did* notice the scroll lag in both FB and theverge.com, however I really thought it was splitting hairs to focus over it. The lag was minimial and didn't affect the 'user experience'.
The thing I'm the most impressed with was the auto scaling of applications. I'm considering this or a MBA13 for heavy business travel, and by testing the entire MS Office Suite I was very impressed. Initially I didn't notice the 'blurry text', but when I went looking for it I saw it. Even then it's something that could be easily dealt with until it gets patched.
Lastly, I started with the rMBP then looked at the MBA. I didn't notice much special about the screen until I looked at the air. I'm typing on an Alienware m11x right now and I can't help but notice the 'hum' of the screen. I think the damn rMBP ruined me. I used to think this was a good screen...
I will be buying one, but the $2,199 model with 16gb of ram. The rMBP will be replacing my Alienware for on the road business travel, and I have been fine with 128gb SSD and still have half free.
Went to two separate Apple stores to test out the rMBPs - looking for an excuse to buy one. Checked out five floor models. All had UI lag in resizing windows, browser scrolling and other random elements - ie system preferences, etc. It's on par with my loaded HP EliteBook (as far as browser lag is concerned) and clearly inferior to my current MBA and the last gen MBP.
It's a shame, because the thing is otherwise perfect and the screen is the best I've ever seen - hands down. I really want to overlook this, but I can't. I'm going to wait til ML comes out to see if the situation is better, but my gut tells me to wait for the next revision. UI lag was seen in all resolutions. I HATE lag and may be more sensitive to it than others. I didn't even know it was an issue until afterwards, so there was no prior bias.
Smart advice is to wait for now - see if ML fixes the problem. It's not the end of the world - I've just been spoiled by Apple's typically butter smooth scrolling. I bet a lot of this is software related - there seemed to be a millisecond trackpad delay when scrolling in the browser. I'm less convinced that the window resizing will get much better, but we'll see. It's too bad.
It's a shame, because the thing is otherwise perfect and the screen is the best I've ever seen - hands down. I really want to overlook this, but I can't. I'm going to wait til ML comes out to see if the situation is better, but my gut tells me to wait for the next revision. UI lag was seen in all resolutions. I HATE lag and may be more sensitive to it than others. I didn't even know it was an issue until afterwards, so there was no prior bias.
Smart advice is to wait for now - see if ML fixes the problem. It's not the end of the world - I've just been spoiled by Apple's typically butter smooth scrolling. I bet a lot of this is software related - there seemed to be a millisecond trackpad delay when scrolling in the browser. I'm less convinced that the window resizing will get much better, but we'll see. It's too bad.
To get rid of lag on my 2.6 GHz, I turned off smooth scrolling in OS X, which I've never properly understood anyway.
Tried out a base 2.3 in my local apple store and set the resolution to 1920x1200 and tried out various websites which are normally quite taxing on my MBA such as thenextweb and theverge and the scrolling was not laggy just a bit choppy.
However no updates where installed on this rMBP and it's a moot point anyway as ML is just around the corner which will help alleviate a lot of these issues.
Ordered a rMBP regardless as the display is simply fantastic!
However no updates where installed on this rMBP and it's a moot point anyway as ML is just around the corner which will help alleviate a lot of these issues.
Ordered a rMBP regardless as the display is simply fantastic!
Video of Lag
Hi,
I've posted a video of the lag compared with Firefox here
http://youtu.be/KCMHfCAD8bI
This is on 2.3Ghz MacBook Pro 15" with Retina Display running Mountain Lion DP4
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Hi,
I made this video of the scrolling lag
http://youtu.be/KCMHfCAD8bI
This is on MacBook Pro with Retina Display 15" 2.3GHz
Hi,
I've posted a video of the lag compared with Firefox here
http://youtu.be/KCMHfCAD8bI
This is on 2.3Ghz MacBook Pro 15" with Retina Display running Mountain Lion DP4
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Hi,
I made this video of the scrolling lag
http://youtu.be/KCMHfCAD8bI
This is on MacBook Pro with Retina Display 15" 2.3GHz