To each his own, but I don't think there is anything wrong with the mindset of Mr. Right. Ya, the old thing still runs, but gee it's slow.
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To each his own, but I don't think there is anything wrong with the mindset of Mr. Right. Ya, the old thing still runs, but gee it's slow.
Ok I have the FPS results for scrolling on Facebook on my Mac Pro.
Remember this configuration has HD5870, a much faster card than GT650M and the amount of pixels it's trying to push is not so much behind the retina (2560*1600)
If I test facebook.com
Scrolling using the arrow key, 31 fps and CPU at 100%
If I test macrumors.com
Scrolling using arrow key, 48fps and CPU at 7%
So, are you telling me that the new retina MBP can actually do the same smoothness my Mac Pro does with a GPU like 5870?
And that's bad how?
Remember this configuration has HD5870, a much faster card than GT650M and the amount of pixels it's trying to push is not so much behind the retina (2560*1600)
If I test facebook.com
Scrolling using the arrow key, 31 fps and CPU at 100%
If I test macrumors.com
Scrolling using arrow key, 48fps and CPU at 7%
So, are you telling me that the new retina MBP can actually do the same smoothness my Mac Pro does with a GPU like 5870?
And that's bad how?
I've read through this whole thread and what you said is the only comments I 100% agree with. It's so true, half of the people on here haven't even seen one in person, or maybe have had a little go of one for a limited amount of time, half and hour in the apple store is not truly trying the machine out. I say get one, if you really hate it, you have 14 days to take it back if it bothers you that much.
I also agree with the comment that people tend to justify in their minds that the new RMBP is crap so they a feel better about their decision of not buying one. I hate when people get like this. It's just a machine people use, end of story. ok it's expensive but nobody is forcing anyone to buy one, do or do not, there is no buy...
I just bought one and it's just been dispatched and will be with me within 6 days. I almost cancelled my order due to comments on here but then I thought, most of the people on here are just making up conjecture to help with their decision not to get one, some peoples comments almost sound jealous, so jealous they have to pan anyone who get's one as wasting their money. I don't think it's a waste, how could I, I haven't even used one properly, if before the 14 days I figure it just isn't cutting the mustard then I will return it but I will not judge a machine based of what people nit pick about. It's like seeing a movie that everyone thinks is **** but I happen to enjoy, lucky I didn't listen to the haters.I want everyone bashing the machine to recommend a better one, and power is not enough, I want a recommendation of a laptop that comes with a 512SSD a 2.6ghz processor and a screen which is at least 1080p or above say 1200. and a better graphics card, but remember, I want all this at near the same dimensions as the RMBP, I want under 5lbs and I want it as thin as the RMBP. if you can find me a better portable powerful machine, I will return it, if not, what's all the fuss about.
Also the 2012 MBP is a good machine, but once you start adding a 512SSD and so on it quickly overtakes the price of a RMBP due the parts not being standard.
I don't really care is FB is struggling and some other webpages. not a big issue to me. All I want is something that has some power, not a beast and has a small form factor. The RMBP has this. It's a good machine, people need to stop bashing it just because they don't intend to get one.
And don't refer to us who want one as guinea pigs, we're not. All technology has it's problems, but that's what you get when on the bleeding edge of it. I can't find a single laptop that is better, don't compare it to Alienware, they are way more powerful but they are beasts in terms of size, not really portable machines.
This is my first ever MBP, not my first mac but my first portable, not really a fan of portables but I now need one and I don't really like windows so a macbook pro was my only choice, so I choose the RMBP, not so much because of it's screen, more for the included SSD and it's small form, which is great when I travel, lighter the better, the AIR is not powerful enough for me, so this new RMBP was a good compromise.
I reiterate to the bashers out there, stop pretending like you know everything, how this product is doomed to fail, or how the battery will die soon after the warranty, you don't know any of that for sure. i'm sticking by the product I just paid money for, if it turns out to be ****, I will send it back but until I decide that, why judge a product on what other people tell you, use it yourself, then decide. unless you can't afford one and your just bashing it because it's out of your reach. I also think it's pathetic how people claim to have bought one and sent it back because it was **** just to make their claim of it being **** more credible. Yes, some people can be pathetic like that.
The thing that they wrote about Mountain Lion sold me. At least this has been addressed. As for Lion, I used the retina and non retina mbp in the Apple store and in complex final cut operations the retina model still seemed faster with the solid state. And scrolling was much smoother than my old MacBook which barely runs Lion. Didn't notice lag, but again I'm used to a lot of it
Most of the "bashers" have legitimate gripes though. There have been a few problems many sites have documented regarding the new retina macbooks. As an apple fan, I can say my 2008 macbook unibody is the best computer I have ever owned from a quality standpoint. It's what caused me to order the new RMBP. However, Im not going to be blind to the fact that there are problems with the computer if they exist. Im spending hard earned money on it and want a good product out of it. Apple, like any other company, isn't exempt from criticism just because they've put out good products in the past.
You are using the wrong word. It is the first production MBP with a retina display. The prototypes are locked away in a lab somewhere, but eventually one or two of them will show up on eBay, resulting in some legal threats.
Haha, hopefully he uses synthetic!
On a side note, we're getting close to that being reality. My car's scheduled oil changes are every 10,000 miles. Growing up with dino oil, it freaks me out - regardless if it's fine now or not.
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I think the deal is, they are griping about an issue that doesn't really involve them, that they have no real world experience about because they don't have one.
If you, new owner of an actual rMBP, starts complaining about how bad the graphics lag is, I'll listen up. But I doubt you'll have a problem at all.
Doubt it. If he were fired he'd probably, and easily, get a job elsewhere. Samsung, Sony, HP, Acer, Asus, Motorola, Microsoft, etc. would love to hire him. He probably decided it's "family time." It's unlikely for Apple to fire it's own. This isn't Microsoft or Samsung or some other **** corp structure.
The new Pro might have slight issues, but it's still a marvel of engineering. This is typical in a first gen product. It simply didn't have enough time to be refined to perfection.
More potential confusion here MacRumors in the way this is written. You're mixing different terms ('2880x1800 pixels' and '1920x1200' [points]) without explanation, which implies that the 'More Space' setting is actually displaying at a lower 'non-Retina resolution'. Many readers are already confused about all this which was evident by comments on the previous Retina display article.
Perhaps it would make more sense if you worded it something like this:
… and as many as 3840 x 2400 pixels at the "Looks like 1920 x 1200" setting, before downscaling to 2880 x1800 pixels …
'Looks like 1920 x 1200' is Apple's own wording here, which somehow I completely missed the first time I saw the screenshot of these display settings. I assume the user was rolling over the 'More Space' setting when this screenshot was taken(?)
I imagine in time (when all Apple's displays are 'Retina', and apps and websites have caught up with the higher resolutions) they'll probably drop this reference to legacy display resolutions altogether.
If you are willing to accept hardware where performance is compromised by design,
you enable those who will continue to produce design prioritized
decisions that compromize performance.
And who can blame them?
The 650M is a cheap midrange part in a premium priced product.
If my customers allowed me to do that, I'd be a fool not to.
No, it just means that the Retina MBP is pushing the outer edge of the envelope. Apple is working within their own constraints concerning cost, performance, battery life, size/weight, price/profit margins, etc.
They could probably build something that sells at $5,000 that doesn't cut the technology envelope so closely. As a matter of fact, the old Apple probably would have done something like that. Newton is a classic example of a device that was before its time. The iPhone and iPod touch in 2007 were better timed devices; the iPad was fabulously timed. After 10+ years of pathetic tablet PC releases, the world finally saw a useful tablet at a price that made sense.
Today's Apple is more savvy. They know what the price points are for consumer adoption. After all, they have a wide range of products from sub $100 iPods all the way to professional workstations costing more than two grand.
In running their own retail store network, they have intimate details on the sales and customer interactions. They really have a better clue at why someone might balk at plunking down a grand for some notebook computer.
Remember, Apple owns something like >90% of the $1000+ PC market. No computer manufacturer understands the premium marketplace like Apple does. For that matter, the netbook manufacturers poorly understood their customers and saw their sales disappears, particularly after the iPad was released.
Despite the problems the first gen MBPr has, they should not be looked down upon. Simply view it this way:
Someone has to cross the finish line first. The rest will follow.
Thanks and congratulations, Apple!
Someone has to cross the finish line first. The rest will follow.
Thanks and congratulations, Apple!
Gotta love all of the excuses and justifications for a high priced not quite ready for prime time product. Image the uproar if it was any other company but Apple?
This is an example of different things being more important to different people.
I want that design, so I'll take some of the hardware compromises. Seems you would rather have it the other way. The rMBP is not for you then. Alienware would be the logical choice for you perhaps, followed by Magliner for a cart to carry your new computer around on.
Don't forget that the thin factor contributes perhaps 50% of the "premium" to the product, this machine is not built just for performance. There are tons of people lined up to pay for exactly this product. As soon as I saw the Air, I hoped for a 15" version.
Your hyperbolic straw man fools no one except gullible true believers.
15" laptops with 670 or 680 GPUs start at about 5 pounds, 1/2" thicker than the MBP and don't sound like hair dryers.
Fully upgradeable, with any option you want and with an OS that
hasn't been in a rolling beta for the last two years, all for $700 less.
You're making a fool of yourself in public by suggesting otherwise.
And becasue they are enginered to provide proper cooling
they won't burn your lap like aluminum radiator MPBs with
slower GPUs will.
The things is, it is ready for prime time. Nothing wrong with it - in the case of this specific issue, it's already been posted that bigger desktop graphics cards on smaller resolution screens have the same issue. Furthermore, in the very same article MacRumors quoted, this very machine received the highest honor ever bestowed upon a Mac by this reviewer. Again, no issue here. This is more people trying to justify NOT spending the money to themselves. Fail.
There will always be manufacturing issues (screen ghosting), we will have to give it more time to be able to tell the scope of those things.
And again, it's not really that high of a price...
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You have to count the power supplies to those beasts also - my sister's hyped up PC laptop isn't too bad BUT the dang BRICK sized PSU adds another pound. Ridiculous.
And a 1/2" is everything in the world of thin computers. Again, this computer is as much about being small as it is about performing. There has to be balance between the two to make this product. Sure, they could add 1/2" and a pound (two if you include the stupid PSU now required) and make a killer performing machine but it would not be THIS machine.
The 650M is the best GPU that Apple can use in the rMBP form factor. (It's also already over clocked to the max - basically GTX660M speeds) You're fooling yourself if you think any laptop manufacturer could cram a GTX680M or AMD 7970M in the rMBP form factor. Even the classic MBP would have an issue cooling off a 100 Watt GPU! (Yes, both Nvidia/AMD's top of the line are 100 watt GPU's.)
Actually there are legitimate reasons to choose something else, like the non-retina MBP, over the retina. I ordered a retina on day one. I changed my mind and ended up spending MORE money on the non-retina MBP because there were other concerns which outweighed the benefits of the retina. For instance, I was interested in upgradeability and repairability. I also had reservations about a mobile GPU driving a 2880x1800 display, particularly with games.
So, there are a lot of reasons why someone might have reservations about the retina. And yes, there actually are issues. You have just decided they aren't showstopper issues for you. And that's great. The wonderful thing here is we all have great options. The non-retina MBPs, the retinas, the Airs, even the iMacs.
But there are legitimate issues, even if they are small, and facing that fact without blinders will help everyone make a decision that they will be happy with in the long run.
Like I said in a previous post you are setting up an invalid premise
with the argumentum ad absurdum of saying that the only choice is
between a light and sleek performance crippled MBP and an Alienware.
There are dozens of models that are much thinner and weigh less that
the Alienware moster laptops and that have very similar performance.
And don't require carts to carry around.
I agree, yet even the people who regularly accept those compromises
seem to be just as vociferous in their unhappiness with many of the
performance consequences that result. Hardly your typical trolls.
Went to the Apple Store and checked out the rMBP as a possible replacement candidate for my 17" MBP down the road.
I wasn't overwhelmed. In my current MBP I have 2 HDs which is great for media stuff like Video Editing and of course, there is the screen estate. While now the rMBP can offer the same real estate, things are quite small on the screen. That might be not an issue for some, but personally I feel, if I want to manipulate some graphic stuff down to a pixel level in After Effects or so, it is pushing the limit. So this would be a compromise for me already. I always felt that the screensize and real estate of the 17" was near perfect.
The second thing I noticed, while apps load quickly, the rMBP running at a scaled 1920x1200 wouldn't feel smoother than my old 17" MBP.
The whole package is a compromise and sadly, there is no proper laptop replacement for a 17" MBP. What a shame.
And as a side note: I manage to beach ball / freeze Final Cut Amateur X in 30s, manipulating the SanFrancisco.mov movie a tiny bit. Pretty laughable performance, to be honest.
I wasn't overwhelmed. In my current MBP I have 2 HDs which is great for media stuff like Video Editing and of course, there is the screen estate. While now the rMBP can offer the same real estate, things are quite small on the screen. That might be not an issue for some, but personally I feel, if I want to manipulate some graphic stuff down to a pixel level in After Effects or so, it is pushing the limit. So this would be a compromise for me already. I always felt that the screensize and real estate of the 17" was near perfect.
The second thing I noticed, while apps load quickly, the rMBP running at a scaled 1920x1200 wouldn't feel smoother than my old 17" MBP.
The whole package is a compromise and sadly, there is no proper laptop replacement for a 17" MBP. What a shame.
And as a side note: I manage to beach ball / freeze Final Cut Amateur X in 30s, manipulating the SanFrancisco.mov movie a tiny bit. Pretty laughable performance, to be honest.
Like I said in a previous post you are setting up an invalid premise
with the argumentum ad absurdum of saying that the only choice is
between a light and sleek performance crippled MBP and an Alienware.
There are dozens of models that are much thinner and weigh less that
the Alienware moster laptops and that have very similar performance.
And don't require carts to carry around.
Well that is the extreme opposite. Yes, there are dozens of models slightly thicker, slightly heavier, with better performance than the rMBP. Even the normal MBP could be an example here. However, none are the rMBP. I think because it's now the most expensive priced laptop from Apple, that everyone think it's should be the ultimate performance machine. In fact, this is just a performance Air model. It's certainly stepped up from the Air, better performing, bigger and better screen, but still compact and light.