Retina MBP UI performance - with video

Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by CausticPuppy, Jun 13, 2012.

  1. CausticPuppy macrumors 65816

    May 1, 2012
    I stopped by the Apple Store near my office and managed to get a short video... just to see with my own eyes. :D

    Initial impressions - the screen looks damn good, but if you own an iPad3, it's nothing you haven't seen before-- just larger. Retina really raises the bar for how a screen should look!

    Now, I played around with the scaling a bit, and each of the scaled modes looked equally as good, no visual degradation at normal viewing distance. I could tell the GPU was struggling a bit around screen transitions. So I reset it to "optimum for retina" mode and did some tests... mainly just toggling between full-screen and windowed mode with iPhoto, and Expose a couple of times.

    So, uh.... yeah.

    This is (presumably) with the HD4000 chip driving it, I'm sure the nVidia would've done much better, but my initial impressions are that the new screen technology is a couple steps ahead of the latest Intel GPU's. Not good news for people like me waiting for a 13" retina machine which might not have a discrete graphics chip.
  2. wct097 macrumors 6502

    Nov 30, 2010
    That looks pretty crappy. Definitely makes me think twice about it, until they get it fixed.
  3. iRyu macrumors regular

    May 22, 2010
    maaan, this video hold me on buying retina MBP. Apple please fix this thing! I don't want a $2199 Mac perform like this :(
  4. Action macrumors member

    May 1, 2008
    So, to avoid UI lag, you need to be using the discrete GPU at all times? That's gonna kill battery life and increase heat. Looks like the RMBP is a dud.
  5. 88 King macrumors 6502

    88 King

    Jun 18, 2011
    London, UK
    This is what I'm afraid of, having to use the discrete graphic card for normal laptop use will kill battery life. Together with the screen can only display 1900X1200 work area makes me reconsider my order.

    I'm thinking just get a high resolution 15 mbp, since I already have a 2.5" ssd, I can move the hd into optical bay and add 8GB ram for £40.

    Going to wait till this weekend to play with the new mbp in store before making a decision.
  6. CapnJackGig macrumors 6502a

    Jul 17, 2011
  7. Mike07335i macrumors member

    Jan 10, 2009
  8. Rizzm macrumors 6502a

    Feb 5, 2012
    Starting to look good that I didn't give Apple my credit card on impulse. Waiting for anandtech's full review to see if this thing is going to be plagued with issues.

    Screen lag and proper scaling performance are what it's coming down to for me.
  9. Marconelly macrumors 6502


    Jul 5, 2008
    Wow, really? That's bad :\

    You're saying this test is made in the "Best for Retina" mode? Or is it in simulated 1680x1050 mode?

    You really should have tried repeating this test with the discrete GPU enabled (I think you just go to Energy Saver panel to do so)
  10. Kamilli0n macrumors newbie

    Feb 10, 2011
    I wonder if this will be a non-issue when Mountain Lion comes out next month. I'll be throwing Mountain Lion Developer Preview 4 on my Retina MBP when it comes next week.
  11. catalyst6 macrumors 6502a


    Oct 13, 2007
    Yup. I'm so pumped about retina, but the resolution this thing is operating at is going to bring graphics based apps to its knees. Just the nature of the beast. Throw in the added overhead of all the scaling and I'm skeptical. I really want one of these, no question, but this is the first Apple product where I feel like the term "early adopter" means more than just being the first to buy into new hardware. It's a change in computing for a lot of reasons.
  12. hcho3 macrumors 68030

    May 13, 2010
    Either Intel or Apple fix this thing or I am not interested. I have no interest in being first gen customer.

    Waiting for Haswell...
  13. jlblodgett macrumors 6502a

    Apr 18, 2008
    That is interesting.

    I didn't notice any such lag on the machine I played with today. Of course, I kept the display settings on the default retina setting.

    It seems like the scaling is what really screws things up.
  14. psykick5 macrumors 6502

    Sep 4, 2011
    Wow I played with a retina model today and it definitely was not like that
  15. MrGando macrumors member

    Aug 16, 2007
    Well I don't even use Mission control... don't really care :), if I can get more code on the screen and the fonts render better is a win/win for me.
  16. Marconelly macrumors 6502


    Jul 5, 2008
    Definitely would like to know if this is just a 1400x900 "best for retina" mode. It looks like it is based on UI element sizes though.

    Also, it could mean that after switching the size slider back and forth Lion bugs out and you lose the smooth performance that was there before? would explain why some people didn't notice it. I don't know if Lion forces Discrete GPU rendering for things like these transitions, and maybe the bug is that it fails to do so after switching screen resolutions.
  17. Fuchal macrumors 68020

    Sep 30, 2003
    The scaling preferences say you may experience reduced performance, and it looks like it's true. But, one would imagine this will be tweaked in 10.7.5. or Mountain Lion
  18. Marconelly macrumors 6502


    Jul 5, 2008
    Yeah, but his video doesn't look like scaled mode. He even said that he switched it back to "Best for Retina", unscaled mode when making this video.
  19. MacReloaded macrumors 6502


    Oct 31, 2007
    Was that machine up-to-date with the updates released in the past two days?
  20. Dammit Cubs macrumors 68000

    Dammit Cubs

    Jul 31, 2007
    This is pretty interesting considering that Engadget (The review is out) has not mentioned this issue.
  21. shansoft macrumors 6502

    Apr 24, 2011
    This is one of the problem that hold me back and skeptic about the Retina Display.

    The raw performance will be heavily degraded...
    There is no way around that unless you ran at 1440*900 without scaling
    I have already seen this with my New iPad, which some app ran on native resolution starting to lag badly.

    Glad I hold myself back on Retina, going to grab the legacy instead.
  22. Tsuchiya macrumors 68020


    Jun 7, 2008
    Also want to confirm that they aren't all like that.

    The model I played around with today was silky smooth and I was opening up multiple apps, messing with Aperture and at one point loaded up a 1080p video to see if there was any lag (there wasn't).

    Whether or not the discrete graphics were being used or not I'm not sure. But it seems unlikely that Apple would overlook such a huge flaw in their new flagship notebook :confused:
  23. millerrh macrumors 6502

    Sep 14, 2005
    I was just in an Apple store today and noticed the same type of thing when scrolling in a web site that had a lot of images. It seemed jerky and jumpy. Almost like it would stop scrolling until it could render the entire image, then caught up with where it should have been.

    Just to check myself, I went over to a regular MBP and didn't notice this same behavior, so it's definitely something with retina.

    Unfortunately, I also tried switching to the discrete graphics and noticed no difference.

    I think I'll be holding off...
  24. MR1324 macrumors 6502

    Nov 22, 2010
    were these display models running the latest software fix? were they rebooted prior to the test? a lot of factors can cause jumpy UI. do you guys really think apple would ship a product that didn't have a smooth interface?
  25. leman macrumors G3

    Oct 14, 2008

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