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I guess if you plan on gaming on an iMac, there is no rush for retina display, because there is gonna take a few years until a mobile graphic card can run most games natively at such a high definition.

If a GeForce GTX 780M can't do the best of jobs on a 1440p display, 880M won't as well, and that is why I don't care to wait another couple of years.

this is why we need a 'Mac' with discrete desktop graphics that is suitable for gaming. If Apple are all about the consumer these days, you can't get much more consumer than games!
 
I consider the 2560x1440 resolution that 27" iMacs and Apple Thunderbolt Displays currently ship to be "Retina" under normal viewing distances of at least 2.5ft away. In fact, 2560x1440 is beyond 1920x1080 HD resolution and is in 2K territory. The next logical step would for Apple to take is to bump displays up to 4K.

Of course, the only problem that 4K as well as 2K has been encountering is the lack of content. We have had the 2560x1440 resolution since 2009 when Apple debuted it in the iMac yet mainstream video content maxes out at 1080p. Applications and websites aren't resolution independent or take full advantage of 2560x1440 either.

With that said, what's the point of having all this great hardware when nothing takes advantage of it?

Point well taken. Content is not there as yet. Having a 4K screen would not show of its capabilities .
Possibly in 2015.
 
Marco Arment just wrote a really fascinating review of this topic here. Basically, he believes that there WILL be 4K retina displays and iMacs THIS YEAR!
 
this is why we need a 'Mac' with discrete desktop graphics that is suitable for gaming. If Apple are all about the consumer these days, you can't get much more consumer than games!

check this out... External Thunderbolt GPU case by ASUS

http://uk.hardware.info/news/38509/...s-finalize-external-thunderbolt-gpu-enclosure

i would kill for that... no more missing gpu power on osx/bootcamp

this is in developement for 2 years now. but it seems its about to be final. CES 2014 news! last changes to drivers and firmware...
 
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check this out... External Thunderbolt GPU case by ASUS

http://uk.hardware.info/news/38509/...s-finalize-external-thunderbolt-gpu-enclosure

i would kill for that... no more missing gpu power on osx/bootcamp

this is in developement for 2 years now. but it seems its about to be final. CES 2014 news! last changes to drivers and firmware...

Look at the size of it though. Apple could build an entire desktop with the same graphics performance in a case that size. It might perform okay, but It seems like the tail wagging the dog to get around a problem that shouldn't exist.
 
price people, about this same as thunderbolt display now, i can dig that

more than that is a bit hard to swallow
 
Look at the size of it though. Apple could build an entire desktop with the same graphics performance in a case that size. It might perform okay, but It seems like the tail wagging the dog to get around a problem that shouldn't exist.

apple could... but wouldn't. cause high end gfx cards dont even fit in the stylish minimalized cases of apple computers. with the macpro everything is build to rely on external hardware (thunderbolt devices) cause the hardware is so bulky to fit in the premium r2d2 case :)


i would place it under my desk, no problem for me.
 
apple could... but wouldn't. cause high end gfx cards dont even fit in the stylish minimalized cases of apple computers. with the macpro everything is build to rely on external hardware (thunderbolt devices) cause the hardware is so bulky to fit in the premium r2d2 case :)


i would place it under my desk, no problem for me.

I wouldn't have a problem with a bigger size either - I would have bought one of the older style Mac Pro's if it supported USB 3.0, etc. I know I can get a PCI card side an older Mac Pro and I nearly went down that route, but I don't trust Apple to stop supporting them with in the next release or so of OS X and at that point I would be left with different OS versions/iCloud funtionality between my desktop and laptop.

I know it's unlikely but lets see if Apple listen to public opinion and release a product that is a diversification of the nMP that has gaming graphics and i7 in a similar form factor. Would sell loads of them.
 
This is a serious question as I don't follow tech as much as I used to. In regards to a 4k Mac, if other companies are doing now and seemingly Apple could, why wouldn't they? It seems they will undoubtedly release one given what other companies are putting out this year?
 
This is a serious question as I don't follow tech as much as I used to. In regards to a 4k Mac, if other companies are doing now and seemingly Apple could, why wouldn't they? It seems they will undoubtedly release one given what other companies are putting out this year?

Other companies are releasing 4k displays, not 4k all-in-ones.
 
In the race to be first they are also releasing displays that are under spec (30 hz) or hella expensive. Apple doesn't like to start with something, dump it and then go to something else. If they can help it, theyll wait until the technology is a bit more mature and ready to serve more people.
 
I think retina but no 4k not yet....
Dude, a "retina" 27-inch iMac would have a resolution far higher than 4K... As such it makes very little sense that we would have a "retina" 27-inch iMac before a 4K 27-inch iMac.

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Basically the elements will be scaled up to HiDPI, just like the retina MacBook Pros. It'll have an effective resolution of 3840x2160, but the UI and elements will be scaled to as if it's 1920x1080.
The pixel density per inch won't be high enough to label the screen as "retina". What you're suggesting makes just as much sense as simply scaling the interface 2x on current iMacs and calling it "retina". In both cases you'd end up with fairly huge interface elements but you'll still be able to distinguish individual pixels.
 
The iMac pro aka mini trashcan has a bto for 4k. Apparently (Macformat) showed a video where it had a refresh rate of 30.3 fps. Which is kinda bad for games.

...the Mac Pro isn't made for games, which explains the lower framerate. I wish people would get that into their head.
 
...the Mac Pro isn't made for games, which explains the lower framerate. I wish people would get that into their head.

Lol, no need to get protective over a monitor brutha. I was pointing out the monitors flaw ya know. 60hz or go home.
 
Lol, no need to get protective over a monitor brutha. I was pointing out the monitors flaw ya know. 60hz or go home.

I'm not talking about the monitor. The reason the Mac Pro has such a low frame rate while gaming is because of the workstation GPUs, it's not made for gaming, it's made for money making.
 
I'm not talking about the monitor. The reason the Mac Pro has such a low frame rate while gaming is because of the workstation GPUs, it's not made for gaming, it's made for money making.

And I never brought up whether or not the mp is good for gaming so your argument is dumb dude. Thee end. No need to point it out.
 
You said "Which is kinda bad for games", did you even read what you wrote?

yep, i was referring to the monitor once again. i am sorry if i was unclear on that. give it up brutha. this argument is dumb
 
If we see a 4K Thunderbolt display this year, it would most likely be announced at WWDC in June.

Personally I don't think we'll see them, or 4K iMacs, until next year, when the iMac is up for a re-design.
 
yep, i was referring to the monitor once again. i am sorry if i was unclear on that. give it up brutha. this argument is dumb

You never mentioned monitors:

The iMac pro aka mini trashcan has a bto for 4k. Apparently (Macformat) showed a video where it had a refresh rate of 30.3 fps. Which is kinda bad for games. So, let's sort that and the price out and suddenly yes, it makes sense.

I do think Apple should come out with dual sli mobile cards for the iMac if they do 4k. Enable crossfire for games so devs take advantage of its capabilities. That would be killa:cool:
 
Please no :(

They either need to push it up so 2560x1440 is the "best for retina" at the very least or just wait until that's possible.

If they go with 1080p for "best for retina" and we have to scale up for more desktop space that wouldn't be good. Tried a 2012 and 2013 retina MBP and can't stand the performance issues in "scaled" mode, not to mention that the retina quality isn't as good in these resolutions either.

I don't know what performance issues you saw, but I have been using my Haswell 13" rMBP in scaled mode, and it is working flawlessly, and retina quality is the same as in the 'best for retina'.
 
Wondering if the news about OS X 10.9.3 and added 4K scaling/60Hz support changes anything about the timetable for a 4K iMac.

Looking at the current market for 4K displays, there seems to be only 2-3 panels that are truly high end 60hz quality panels made by Sharp, ASUS and Dell. All are $2,500 or more. While I can see Apple joining this party for a standalone Thunderbolt Display marketed to Mac Pro users, those prices are still too massive to join it with an all-in-one iMac which would push the price well north of $3,000. Still have to think we're 1.5-2 years away from a 4K iMac anywhere close to the the current $1,299/$1,799 price points Apple has stuck with for years.
 
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