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Actually it is innovating.

Have you noticed that whatever Apple does, others follow. That is being the innovative leader in your field.

You don't have to 'create' something...you have to be the one to really first do it to be innovative. Apple does exactly this.

Just deal with the fact that most people are not using ODD, certain ports anymore and move into the future. Or are you still complaining that the horse and buggy got replaced by the automobile.

In that case Apple are following Razer as they don't let you have an ODD for the Blade laptop they sell.
 
Waste of money. I can't even see the pixels of my non-retina display. The higher resolution also wastes processor power and battery life. Better to keep the existing resolution, reduce the price, improve processor capacity, since it won't have to drive so many pixels during updates of the screen, and improve battery life since the processor isn't working as hard.

They should also be spending that money on supporting iOS, Classic and Rosetta on the new Macs. The power is there for emulations.
 
No, the Air was the first ULTRABOOK, it is a different class of laptop to the MacBook Pro, hence why Apple by the definition of the post I quoted are following Razer as the MB Pro is in the same class of computers.

It doesn't matter what the classification of the laptop is...Apple said a while back that the ODD was going to go...and they were the first to make the big move of excluding it from a machine in the MacBook Air.

Just like they were the first to get rid of the floppy disc drive in the iMac. Everyone went crazy...

Apple innovates.

It doesn't matter if Razer made a 'pro' laptop without the ODD...they weren't the first to do it. Apple was with the Air and Apple basically laid the road map for everyone else.
 
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. I have both a matte screen and glossy screen. When looking at both with the same image, the glossy screen's color is a bit more saturated (although not as much as I thought it would be). But not too bad. Plus the glossy screen wasn't calibrated.

But to say "Matte screens have WORSE color reproduction and that's why designers use glossy duh" is just plain ignorant. A properly calibrated matte screen will give you accurate colors matching CMYK printing. And I'm sure the same is true with a glossy screen.

Besides, and this is subjective, matte screens are preferable since they don't act like a mirror. I hope Apple ditches the gloss screen for the MacBook Pro. I don't need to be looking in a mirror.

I think the complaints about the matte screen coatings are that they're non-linear - they scatter some wavelengths more than others, and lead to inaccurate color reproduction at different intensities.
 
I hate matte screens!

Agree, cannot stand glossy, it's the only major complaint I have with the 13 which I love for it's size portability as I travel a lot. Reflections are so awful. Apple would be shooting themselves in the foot not continuing an anti-glare version of the new screens, have it on the 15 and it's incredible. So sharp and accurate yet way easier on the eyes, I feel like I get eye strain on the glossy which others mention on here and I have better then excellent vision at 20/15 .

I cannot disagree more: I love the vibrant and crispness of the glossy screen, and I have never really been bothered with the alledged mirroring problems. To me, the matte screens are so dull, etc. etc.

I think I may belong to a minority with my opinion [but I am really NOT sure of that!], and I really hope that both you that prefer matte screens and we who prefer glossy screens can get what we want in the future, when it comes to such important "tools" as the computers and tablets have become in our lives, both with regard to work and entertainment.
 
It doesn't matter what the classification of the laptop is...Apple said a while back that the ODD was going to go...and they were the first to make the big move of excluding it from a machine in the MacBook Air.

Just like they were the first to get rid of the floppy disc drive in the iMac. Everyone went crazy...

Apple innovates.

It doesn't matter if Razer made a 'pro' laptop without the ODD...they weren't the first to do it. Apple was with the Air and Apple basically laid the road map for everyone else.

LOL innovation is not removing hardware, how many times do i have to tell you this? If you want, I could sell you a brand new car without ABS, trunk or rear seats. It will be lighter, hell you usually dont have people sit on your backseats, why have them take up space and room? THROW them out!

Innovation!
 
It doesn't matter what the classification of the laptop is...Apple said a while back that the ODD was going to go...and they were the first to make the big move of excluding it from a machine in the MacBook Air.

Just like they were the first to get rid of the floppy disc drive in the iMac. Everyone went crazy...

Apple innovates.

It doesn't matter if Razer made a 'pro' laptop without the ODD...they weren't the first to do it. Apple was with the Air and Apple basically laid the road map for everyone else.

In that case Apple were not the first either as I could name several small PC laptops that had no ODD in them! Or maybe you think we should only have the Air class of Apple laptops? No Pro range at all?
 
Lots of assumptions are being made about me here. Assuming I've never seen a retina iPad (I own one). Assuming I have poor eyesight that requires a prescription (I have nearly 20/15 vision). What other assumptions about me do are there?

What is this "scientifically based" material you speak of? Apple, the creator of this retina terminology, defined it as I have said above. If you are referring to the equation that was displayed whilst Phil Schiller was on stage, which is the height of a pixel at a given viewing distance, that was probably a year (guessing) after Jobs "defined" retina on stage. You may cite this equation, but Apple sold tens of millions of retina devices before displaying it.

I think we're all on the same side here, but since Apple chose to blur the lines between marketing and science, so many people are fooled. If you can see an individual pixel at 24" away from my 27" iMac, I'd love to see your eye exam results. Just as a few of you have said to me "you are used to ignoring them", I say the opposite for you. I have vision that is well above average (documented), and I can't see a pixel until I get near a foot. Of course, I don't have an agenda, I'm just stating facts here. I want screens as amazing as my iPhone 4 or 3rd gen iPad, but to me, my iMac is already at retina level. Whatever that is.

Jobs didn't display the math onstage when the iPhone 4 was announced (he only referenced it vaguely), but it was scrutinized shortly after. For example, here:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/10/resolving-the-iphone-resolution/

Applying that same math, the current Mac lineup is not "retina":
http://www.tuaw.com/2012/03/01/retina-display-macs-ipads-and-hidpi-doing-the-math/

You supposedly have better vision than I do, but I can definitely see individual pixels from a couple feet away on an iMac. I guess everyone's different, but luckily for the rest of us, the definition of "retina" isn't "what santaliqueur can see." I'm glad that you're happy with your current display, but there are also a lot of us out there who are not and are looking forward to this. I've personally been waiting for this innovation for many, many years.
 
LOL innovation is not removing hardware, how many times do i have to tell you this? If you want, I could sell you a brand new car without ABS, trunk or rear seats. It will be lighter, hell you usually dont have people sit on your backseats, why have them take up space and room? THROW them out!

Innovation!

If you start bringing out a car that doesn't have certain features that many thought they needed and those cars sell like hot cakes...guess what...you are being INNOVATIVE. Apple is making an MORE EFFECTIVE PRODUCT that the general populace wants.


You can spout it all you want. You're wrong.

Go look up the fricking definition.

Innovation is the creation of better or more effective products, processes, services, technologies, or ideas that are accepted by markets, governments, and society.


Innovation differs from invention in that innovation refers to the use of a new idea or method, whereas invention refers more directly to the creation of the idea or method itself
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Learn the damn difference.
 
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. I have both a matte screen and glossy screen. When looking at both with the same image, the glossy screen's color is a bit more saturated (although not as much as I thought it would be). But not too bad. Plus the glossy screen wasn't calibrated.

But to say "Matte screens have WORSE color reproduction and that's why designers use glossy duh" is just plain ignorant. A properly calibrated matte screen will give you accurate colors matching CMYK printing. And I'm sure the same is true with a glossy screen.

Besides, and this is subjective, matte screens are preferable since they don't act like a mirror. I hope Apple ditches the gloss screen for the MacBook Pro. I don't need to be looking in a mirror.

Lol, somebodies biased.
 
It says that the estimated cost of the current screen is $68 but surely that was much more when the screen was first used and Apple haven't dropped the price as the screen price has dropped - or other components - so I expect they could keep the same price, or just a small increase, for a much higher spec
 
I'm confused as to why we used to support glass CRTs heavily over LCD monitors in the professional world if the reflection level was SO AWFUL as many would have you believe.

...because our old CRTs had non-glare films. dont you remember?
 
I much prefer glossy display's versus matte ones, and my reasoning behind this is because with matte display's we get a sparkle/grainy effect..

As a Web Designer, I find this very annoying, and it's often hard to differentiate between a Noise effect on Photoshop vs native graininess the Monitor comes with.. And having owned so many monitors in my life time, It really doesn't matter how high end your matte display is..

as a web developer (tm), i have no idea what youre talking about.
 
This.

I don't want retina, i want 1680x1050 for the 13'', 1920x1200 for the 15'' and 2560x1600 for the 17'' models. That would be a real improvement, high DPI is just not as important as screen realestate.

err, retina IS high DPI, IS screen realestate.
 
Retina +100
No DVD -100

And we are good to go

I edit to clarify mi post. When Apple removed the DVD from the Mac Mini, they dropped the price 100 bucks, so why not this time too?

One word.

Five letters.

G-R-E-E-D.

I hope there is a matte option with this new display.

No thanks. The AG filter reduces color accuracy and gamut.

Sounds fair...most people who complain are gonna end up paying for it anyways.

THIS.

Those glossy MIRROR screens are AWFUL.

The reflection is a disadvantage, but the advantages (see above) more than make up for it.

Apple could easily afford to bite the bullet on this and only have a 10% margin instead of a 30% margin while they wait for prices to drop.

I seriously doubt they will, though. They'll probably let the margin drop 5% or so in the interest of keeping their prices roughly where they are.

They want their usual 60% profit margin...

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/03/02/what-doth-it-profit-an-iphone/

Being in IT and reading up, MacBook pros easily fetch higher than a 50% profit margin as well.

Why should Apple bite any bullet?

(a) that's our job in the new normal, apparently

(b) they have a history of up-charging for generic, commodity components

Even in the 1990s, Apple sold premium prices for general off-the-shelf stuff (the competing Atari ST was far cheaper and more powerful than the Mac with the same hardware... and the ST could be rigged to emulate a Mac by just buying Mac ROMs! And neither OS, at the time, had a distinct advantage - but today's OS X definitely has advantages over Windows to be sure, even if the Motorola CPU line was historically better than Intel's but I can't deny Intel has made fantastic strides... Yet ARM has a ways to go in terms of content creation performance and it appears Apple is heading in that direction, unfortunately... time reveals all...)

Isn't that DVD drive worth under $20?

In terms of mere parts, yes...

Not including the drive anymore but selling it as a convenient $90 attachment is far more valuable, and most people do need an optical drive for install purposes - especially Adobe users; if they think Adobe will go though Apple's app store and give up 30% of each sale, then somebody is smoking some primo stuff, and customers will not want to see a 30% price hike either...

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err, retina IS high DPI, IS screen realestate.

Very true.

The GUI will render text in the appropriate size...

But will apps play nice with the higher PPI? Or will Photoshop's menu icons be 50% smaller and therefore harder to click on until Adobe puts out an updated version... or if OS X upscales the images, leaving them soft and fuzzy but more usable...

Either way, Retina is a WIN for MacBooks, not just for real estate but especially if the color and shadow gamut are there...
 
Expensive!

As much as I love the Apple kit, retina screen or no retina screen .... it'll be as over priced and lacking in features compared to others as usual (and as usual, they'll sell millions!)
 
I'm all for a matte option, but I'm confused as to why we used to support glass CRTs heavily over LCD monitors in the professional world if the reflection level was SO AWFUL as many would have you believe.
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OMG if I have to read this ridiculous analogy/example one more time I'm going to drown myself in extra-glossy water.

CRTs, professional grade, had a coating on it which reduced reflections greatly. They weren't perfect but they were far and away less glossy/reflective than Apple's current setup. Why? because unlike those CRTs the panel has a slab of glass over it so you get nothing but an actual sheet of reflective sheen without any anti-reflection coatings.
 
Bad time to be increasing prices with the way the economy is right now.

If the gave a choice of 1900x1200 or 2880x1800retina but only 1440x900 usable res I'd go for the 1900x1200, because regardless whether it has the "retina" label, to my eyes it will be.
 
Compare 1800$ PC's to MBP's and you get more for your money in terms of hardware and software is really subjective.

When comparing objectively, MBP is overpriced for what you get. Fact.

Still wont stop me from buying one for development purposes but I call it how it is.

Making a unibody MacBook Pro from a solid aluminum billet is not easy or cheap. Fact.

If tax dodging Apple wants to win customers over then I say they absorb that cost. They have more profit than anyone and it would be nice to not be ripped off just for a display that they ultimately want you to have. We shall see.

I don't see the general public complaining about taking personal exemptions for themselves along with earned income tax credit for instance. Don't hate the player, hate the game ( Government )
 
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