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Return of Mac Clones?
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Claymore said:
Is there a way for hackers to get around USB dongles? I really don't know, but for Macs it would be a good idea to just build in a USB dongle that connects itself upon startup (but perhaps hackers could just get around this).
-Chase
lightwave's is not hard to crack, or at least i wouldn't think based on how many friends i have with pirated copiesrendezvouscp said:
also, what about schools? my school has some like network install version of lightwave that doesnt use a dongle (it'd get stolen) but then how would they stop someone from stealing the disk image or w/e?
I don't see any chance this could happens while Steve Jobs still remains as Apple CEO.
Jobs said -
-he hate there are some people that he can't fire when things go wrong.-
-Microsoft has made the major killing ever in the computer history-
What he's been doing for years is to make a purer Mac among the messy pc market. That's why he won, comeback, and wins again.
While priacy still haunting software makers, clone anything out just cause backfire on itself, you'll lose more while expecting your victory.
Asking why the OS X 's made to run on intel platform, this may connects to the point that the technologies of powerpc chips doesn't growing fast enough as Intel does.
I just like the purity of Mac , pls don't mess it bad.
Jobs said -
-he hate there are some people that he can't fire when things go wrong.-
-Microsoft has made the major killing ever in the computer history-
What he's been doing for years is to make a purer Mac among the messy pc market. That's why he won, comeback, and wins again.
While priacy still haunting software makers, clone anything out just cause backfire on itself, you'll lose more while expecting your victory.
Asking why the OS X 's made to run on intel platform, this may connects to the point that the technologies of powerpc chips doesn't growing fast enough as Intel does.
I just like the purity of Mac , pls don't mess it bad.
pmoeser said:
Sony was hit very hard by Apple on Mp3 players and notebook markets,
A few years backward, Sony's supposed to produce the most advanced and good looking gadgets, however, as ipods and powerbooks debut and overwheming the market for it's simple and elegant design, Sony fades out too quick and uncapable to catch up,
when Jobs asked by the press any comments of future products,
"Noooooo !!, we gonna be careful, we have those Sony guys over the street with their binoculars .." Jobs let out a cunning smile.
iMeowbot said:
Logic Pro-like dongle + command in the OS X Intel startup to mechanically connect the dongle to an internal USB port + laser sensors to verify = what sounds like an uncrackable system.
I really don't care how elitist it sounds, but I hope that Apple makes OS X Intel uncrackable without harming the true Mac user.
-Chase
Just another 3 cents.
1. Market share, by itself, is not a good indicator of the health of a company. I don't know if it's still true, but for a while Apple and Dell were the only profit making personal computer companies. And, IIRC, Macs had their highest market share during the clone years, but Apple, as a company, almost bit the dust. I care more about Apple being a healthy, productive company than about how much market share Apple has.
2. About Jobs flip-flopping (like w/flash based players and portable video). There is a difference between having "no comment" or deflecting a question about a still secret product in development and radically changing Apple's business model (going from a hardware to a software company). I wouldn't use Jobs' down playing video-on-iPod abilities to deduce that he's also lying about some fundamental aspects of Apple as a company.
3. Dongles. Yes, Dongles can be cracked. There are dongle cracks all over the place for things like Avid's Xpress line of software.
Lethal
1. Market share, by itself, is not a good indicator of the health of a company. I don't know if it's still true, but for a while Apple and Dell were the only profit making personal computer companies. And, IIRC, Macs had their highest market share during the clone years, but Apple, as a company, almost bit the dust. I care more about Apple being a healthy, productive company than about how much market share Apple has.
2. About Jobs flip-flopping (like w/flash based players and portable video). There is a difference between having "no comment" or deflecting a question about a still secret product in development and radically changing Apple's business model (going from a hardware to a software company). I wouldn't use Jobs' down playing video-on-iPod abilities to deduce that he's also lying about some fundamental aspects of Apple as a company.
3. Dongles. Yes, Dongles can be cracked. There are dongle cracks all over the place for things like Avid's Xpress line of software.
Lethal
Heres why I don't agree with the majority here. basically what we have to work off of is microsoft. people feel that their computer will be less compatible with its software if apple liscences their OS because they see microsoft getting bogged down working with 800 pc manufacurers to get everything working . This is simply not true. apple makes MACS!!! if apple were to passively say, " you want our source code? fine" the macintosh would not go away, and apple would NOT have to pander to pc manufacturers because simply put, they are one and microsoft is not.
apples downfall is it's exclusivity. I've said it on this list a million times, an OS is like a government. apple chooses to force people to use its applications and it's os JUST THE WAY THEY WANT YOU TOO!! I feel the more wise (and admittedly less flashy) way to go is to facilitate innovation on your platform.
communism vs republic.
-matt
apples downfall is it's exclusivity. I've said it on this list a million times, an OS is like a government. apple chooses to force people to use its applications and it's os JUST THE WAY THEY WANT YOU TOO!! I feel the more wise (and admittedly less flashy) way to go is to facilitate innovation on your platform.
communism vs republic.
-matt
I find one problem with doing clones. People will start the claims that "their mac is faster than yours" because they bought it from a certain company. I purchased an off brand AMD Duron computer that was 1.1 GHz, 384MB of RAM, etc. etc. and me and my brother went in on a Compaq Presario NX5000S??? 2.5GHz Intel Celeron, 640MB RAM but guess who beats who? Yup, my AMD Computer. 64KB L1 Cache + 128KB L2 Cache (AMD) vs. (INTEL) 12KB + 20KB L1 Cache + 128KB L2 Cache.
To the people who bitch about the lack of gaming....
Lets see is it profitable for a PC developer to make games for mac? 4% of the market has a mac and of that 4% only about 40% play games on it and of those 40% only 20% have powerful enough G4's (this is my guess)
Lets see is it profitable for a PC developer to make games for mac? 4% of the market has a mac and of that 4% only about 40% play games on it and of those 40% only 20% have powerful enough G4's (this is my guess)
i bont see any problems with clones, my Dad still uses a UMAX Apus (PPC 601ev @180MHz) that we got in a bundle with a monitor, epsonstylus color 300 printer and a flatbed scanner and an ext 1GB hdd for £700 uk, when an equivelant apple base unit(tower one i think) alone was about the same price. its running os 9.1 (i think) has maxed out ram and an external adb modem (56k) and it still dose him fine.
so it this day and age (well when mactels are out) a cheaper "mac" albeit a clone could tempt people to the light side. As everything would still run, and the supported chipsets would be limited (by drivers or lack of in the install) Apple would still have a high degree of controll. I dont think steve woukld let his baby ron too far away, unlike bad uncle Gill
so it this day and age (well when mactels are out) a cheaper "mac" albeit a clone could tempt people to the light side. As everything would still run, and the supported chipsets would be limited (by drivers or lack of in the install) Apple would still have a high degree of controll. I dont think steve woukld let his baby ron too far away, unlike bad uncle Gill
EricNau said:
Most of the grumblings I see at PC sites is that Macs cost too much. Of course after the Mini came out I read about a lot of people buying them 'cause they are so cheap. Also people didn't like the fact that you can't tweak Macs like you can PCs (few component makers and such), but that's more of a PC enthusiast's gripe, not a Joe Sixpack gripe. And you are correct that putting OS X on a PC wouldn't magically make it run Windows programs.
Lethal
If it was to happen, I cant see them approaching the likes of Dell and others. Perhaps just a single vendor, like they did with iPod HP.... maybe Sony... who can come close to matching the same design aesthetics Apple bases itself on... to keep the brand value high... Jobs has often voiced his admiration for Sony... so it could be a good move.
Licensing it to any other vendor would cheapen the brand IMO. And the brand is very important. Keep it to one vendor and you can still tightly control the hardware configuration/software... plus Sony are hardly likely to underprice Apple products... the competition between both sides would keep Apple on its toes too...
Licensing it to any other vendor would cheapen the brand IMO. And the brand is very important. Keep it to one vendor and you can still tightly control the hardware configuration/software... plus Sony are hardly likely to underprice Apple products... the competition between both sides would keep Apple on its toes too...
I like my iMac , but i certainly wouldn't mind my " butt ugly " PC , or clone for that matter , running os x . There is not conflict in my mind.
Let it come true.
My view is: If OS X even runs in a PC, it is a good news. All my PC friends would be capable of video chatting together in MAC platform. everything is going to change, hardware making, software developing.
If you ask me whether buy a Mac in that case, i would say yes because Mac is one of best computer. Consumers would have another option to run OS X by buying from other PC maker for price, design, quality compromising.
It would be a better world.
My view is: If OS X even runs in a PC, it is a good news. All my PC friends would be capable of video chatting together in MAC platform. everything is going to change, hardware making, software developing.
If you ask me whether buy a Mac in that case, i would say yes because Mac is one of best computer. Consumers would have another option to run OS X by buying from other PC maker for price, design, quality compromising.
It would be a better world.
