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Reuters Confirms a Smaller Dock Connector and Relocated Headphone Jack on Next iPhone
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So what kind of connector can Apple use? Some time ago, I read about a patent for hybrid USB3/Thunderbolt connector. That would be nice...
They could use MHL. A 19 pin variant. I would be curious to see if Intel is shipping Thunderbolt controllers that are small enough to fit in a phone (and don't use a lot of power). Do the controllers have non x86 compatibility yet?
Bet you can't wait to plug your Samsung nexus galaxy chocolate sponge cake world edition with tingling sense HD powered by android 4.1 beta with 3D into your iPod dock.
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With all the reputable media outlets reporting about the connector it seems people at Apple are talking, just as unnamed sources. As I wrote in a previous post, it's in Apple's interest to get this info out, yet, maintain its official "no pre-announcement" policy. As we've seen, reaction to the news is extreme on both sides. So by leaking this info it insures it will be "ho-hum" by the time the next iPhone is shown to the public and won't dominate the discussion of the new phone.
Sure, none of it's official, but half of the news reported is "officials close to the project," etc. It's how news works. Gov't, companies, etc. need info released, but they don't want their "Hello, I'm..." tag pinned to it.
Phones don't have PCI. there are literally endless reasons thunderbolt won't work, or would not be worth the time or effort to implement Thunderbolt. It's ridiculous, Thunderbolt isn't coming to a phone near you.
Though, it could be an endpoint (say like a TB-GBe adapter) so maybe having PCIe wouldn't matter.
No, that wouldn't work either, the GBe adapter works over PCI. thunderbolt communicates over PCI only, removing the PCI would literally give you a different connector, and none of the advantages of Thunderbolt.
You're showing phones from three years ago (2009), the micro USB connector was announced late 2007 and has seen growth in 2008/2009.
People will be able to say the same thing about the Apple's new dock connector in a few years, and until then, iOS devices will ship with an adapter and remain compatible with 99.99% of all docks.
People will be able to say what?
It hasn't been confirmed that the devices will be shipped with an adapter.
"Apple's current dock connector was announced late 2012 and has seen growth in 2013/2014." As for the adapter, can't we assume that whatever price it isunless Apple includes it free with new iOS deviceswill be cheaper than switching to all Android compliant devices/services? Apple retails wall chargers for $30, but you can get 2 on eBay for $6; the same will happen with the adapter.
Huh, mate, you make no sense whatsoever.
First, the whole point of bringing up the fact that nearly every modern Android phone uses micro USB is that it's a universal, accepted standard. The fact that after it will be introduced it will experience growth in usage is a truism.
Secondly, what do you mean by "switching to all Android compliant devices"? Why are you comparing the price of an adapter to a price of an Android phone?
Huh, mate, you make no sense whatsoever.
First, the whole point of bringing up the fact that nearly every modern Android phone uses micro USB is that it's a universal, accepted standard. The fact that after it will be introduced it will experience growth in usage is a truism.
Secondly, what do you mean by "switching to all Android compliant devices"? Why are you comparing the price of an adapter to a price of an Android phone?
I make plenty of sense; you're just confused.
First, the point of me posting the picture of phones from 2009 was to prove the person that I quoted that not every Android phone uses microUSB. It doesn't matter that it's a standard now, because the same thing will happen in a couple years to whatever new dock connector Apple releases.
Secondly, I'm comparing the price of an adapter to Android phones + accessories because my first post was in reply to somebody complaining about the new dock connecter making all previous accessories obsolete and saying that Apple is pushing people towards Android. The adapter keeps the iPhone accessories from being obsolete and will cost less than a new Android phone + accessories, encouraging people to stick with iOS devices.
And that's why I said that the microUSB was only introduced in late 2007/early 2008, hence it's no surprise that a year later there was a bit of fragmentation. That's why I also pointed out that these phones are 3 years old. Currently 99% of Android phones use micro USB and that's what the OP meant.I make plenty of sense; you're just confused.
First, the point of me posting the picture of phones from 2009 was to prove the person that I quoted that not every Android phone uses microUSB.
What the hell are you talking about? It's a proprietary design used only by Apple products! How on Earth is it suppose to become a standard, do you even know what that means?
I think you missed the point there. It's quite idiotic to argue that it is cheaper to buy an adapter than a brand new Android phone. That's a non-argument. What the OP meant is that due to the fact that Apple is changing from one proprietary standard to another, people are being pushed to Android phones which use standards (like the microUSB) and thus have greater compatibility with a plethora of accessories. He wasn't saying that people will be buying Android phones instead of an adapter, because it's cheaper...
As of right now, 99% is still less than 100% of iOS devices that all use the same connectors. And when Apple switches, there are going to adapters available to keep that percentage up there.
I meant a proprietary standard for dock manufacturers, given the extremely high number of docks that use 30-pin connections.
The OP meant that all 30-pin Apple accessories will be obsolete, so replacing them and an iPhone with existing Android accessories will be just as expensive. Sure, there's a plethora of Android accessories, but that's been the case for a while. Apple's new dock connector has nothing to do with motivating people to switch since the number of iOS-compatible devices will remain the same thanks to the adapter.
You don't get it, do you? 99% of Android phones are using an open standard - Micro USB. 0% of iPhone devices are using it.
Proprietary standard? What are you talking about? Of course that iPhone docks will use the same connector, because that's what the iPhone is compatible with for crying out loud. Is Apple's 30-pin connector used by a different company for devices that are not Apple accessories? No.
Speaking of standards, it seems you haven't heard about PDMI?
No, that's not what he meant. Read my previous post.
The original iPod dock connector, not the original iPod. It's still the original 30 pin connector, whether or not the controller chip has evolved. That connector was designed to fit on a much more roomy device with lots of surface space. With the iPod Touch having gotten so thin and the iPhone adopting the connector and running out of room, it's surprising they've kept it around this long.
You don't get it, do you? I was replying to someone who thought that all previous docks would be incompatible with future iOS devices. It doesn't matter that microUSB is an open standard because that doesn't change the fact that you still won't be able to plug an Android device into an iPod-compatible dock, so Apple's switch won't make Android anymore enticing.
Yes, that accurately describes a proprietary standard. PDMI also isn't compatible with 30-pin connectors for iDevices, so it might as well be another USB variant.
Yes, that is what he meant. His post was based on a fallacy, and getting anything else out of it is like squeezing water from a rock.
Now you're just backpedalling and steering the conversation into another direction.
Apple's connector design will NEVER be used by any other phone or device. Never. It won't be a proprietary standard used by others, because Apple will not allow it. Thus, it will never be a standard. What's your point?
No it's not. There's no point in arguing with you.
No, I was trying to get it back on track.
My point is that Apple's switch to another connector will not push people towards Android (at least not for reasons that didn't already exist). You're getting too hung up on my use of the phrase proprietary standard.
Welcome to the world of internet arguments. People become more entrenched in their original views.
Which has been argued here to be invalid since by doing that Apple proves that it is unwilling to support open standards and will continue using its propriety designs.
Not at all. Apple has been using it's own 30-pin connection for the past 9 years. If anybody wanted to switch to Android for microUSB, they would've done it since sometime after 2007. The switch to a different proprietary connector proves nothing everybody wasn't already aware of: Apple uses it's own proprietary standards in their own devices.