My Leaf looks just like most small SUVs on the road. Really don’t understand your statement
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Review: 2019 Nissan Leaf Plus Brings a Bigger Battery to the Popular CarPlay-Equipped EV
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Maybe you are only noticing the weird looking EVs. Many EVs look quite normal and just like their gasoline counterparts, except perhaps missing a tailpipe or having a smooth front panel up front in place of a grill.
Like the 2019 VW E-Golf?
I’m not into the whole ‘electric era’ of cars quite yet, but that’s actually a pretty sharp looking vehicle. The Leaf has come along way from where it started.
Not every EV looks like a Cybertruck. There are plenty of normal looking EVs. Here are some examples. There are more, but you get the point.
2020 Audi E-Tron SUV
Audi E-Tron GT
Volvo XC40 Recharge
2018 VW E-Golf
2021 VW ID.4
Hyundai Kona
2019 Jaguar I-Pace
Ford Mustang Mach-E
2019 Mercedes EQC
2020 Audi E-Tron SUV
Audi E-Tron GT
Volvo XC40 Recharge
2018 VW E-Golf
2021 VW ID.4
Hyundai Kona
2019 Jaguar I-Pace
Ford Mustang Mach-E
2019 Mercedes EQC
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the original leaf did not have this feature... it seems to have been popularized by GM with the volt and the bolt. tesla only recently added one-pedal driving. honestly i think i like the way it works in the bolt the best but tesla's works OK as well.
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100% true - i destroyed the battery in my 2011 leaf charging with ChaDeMO (which was free, ironically, due to a class action lawsuit regarding the original battery pack failing almost instantly in hot weather.)
despite only ever charging it to 80% either by AC or ChaDeMO, by year 4 the battery capacity was so low that we had to start charging it to 100% to get decent range and by the time i sold it (for next to nothing) a fully-charged battery would report 60 miles of range. had i understood this at the outset i would have leased the car.
my almost 3-year old bolt has active battery cooling, but due to the 60kwh capacity i've never once had to quick charge it.
anyway i liked the leaf and the new leaf looks interesting but i'd never get one unless it was a $100 per month lease or something.
and I only said I liked using it. Not into the whole “my device had this feature first/my device does it better” BS.
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I bought a non plus Leaf 2019 SV recently. Price was a major reason. Selling price was $31,200. My electric provider gave me $3500 discount that was immediately taken off price at dealership. My state is giving me $2500 back and the fed tax credit is still $7500 for Nissan. Dealerships really wanted me to lease since they told me nobody ever buys it. But to own for $17,700 was too good of a deal imo to pass up.
Wow! Great deal! Pays to research the rebates and credits. I was bummed when I found out my electric/gas company only gave rebates for gas on-demand water heaters, not electric. Between their rebate and buying it on Amazon in the “Used but excellent” discount area it would have been very cheap. Don’t know why they only do gas since electric ones are more efficient.
Nissan has a promotion these days with EVGO/ChargePoint that gave me $250 charging credits for year 1.
Apparently the 30% refund on the installation of a home ev charger in back in play too. Actually looking forward to filing my 2019 taxes next year. Haha
Not every EV is a Cybertruck. There are plenty of normal looking EVs. Here are some examples. There are more, but you get the point.
2020 Audi E-Tron SUV
Audi E-Tron GT
Volvo XC40 Recharge
2018 VW E-Golf
2021 VW ID.4
Hyundai Kona
2019 Jaguar I-Pace
Ford Mustang Mach-E
2019 Mercedes EQC
The cars without a grill are so off putting to me. I hate the duck lips of the Model 3.
My problem with EVs is mainly that you can’t get a performance model inexpensively. The higher end Leaf’s top out at a mediocre 6.5s 0-60. A base Model 3 at $40k will do it in a respectable 5.3s. But if you spend $35-40k on something like a Charger, Mustang, or Camaro, you’ll get to join the low to mid 4 second club. When you have a car that quick, it’s like riding a roller coaster whenever you want.
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I look at it like I did with my solar installation. Yes it cost me a ton to put panels on my roof, but I no longer have a power bill, so I'm saving $200 a month on electricity. That adds up over the years. In 6 more years I'll have paid it off, and then it's pure profit.
Could I have invested that money and made a better return? Maybe yes, maybe no. But I know for sure I will pay off those panels, and then I will be making money every month.
So yea, my EV cost a little more, but I'm saving a few thousand a year not paying for gas, oil, and maintenance. I know my car won't be profitable like my solar, but in the end it will still cost less then a gas car. Also EV's (modern ones at least) hold value pretty well compared to gas cars.
I got a credit for charging back in June, don’t think it was that much. But it may have expired IDK because I haven’t needed to charge away from home yet. I had bought a charger from amazon but sent it back when I realized my model included the fast charger cord so I just needed to have a 240v outlet installed in the garage. My accountant is trying to figure out how to juggle my car and solar panels tax credits. The car one HAS to be taken in the purchase year but my panels can be spread out. Already took about half that credit last year.
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Ditto. I didn’t buy those things to save money. I did it to live a greener lifestyle first. When they eventually pay for themselves and more, that’ll be my cherry on top.
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Why in the world do you care about jackrabbit starts? I’ve never understood this. Means NOTHING in real life, bad for the car and wasteful in energy.
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The 0-60 is indicative of the amount of power a car has. Just because someone isn’t aiming to minimize their 0-60 every time they hit the pedal, doesn’t mean it isn’t fun when they do put the power down. I love flooring it down freeway on-ramps or being able to pass someone without issue on two lane roads. Nothing worse than being stuck behind someone going under the speed limit and not being able to pass because it’s going take too long to get around them because of a weak powertrain. And the ‘bad for your car’ argument doesn’t add up if all the components are engineered to suitable specs for its given application. Yeah, if you put a transmission or differential meant for a Corolla into a Corvette, it’s probably going to explode. If you don’t do something that stupid though, everything will be fine. It’s all about the materials and engineering used in the drivetrain.
I know exactly what you mean and I agree.
However, there are a LOT of gas cars without big grills up there, so I think it's possible to make normal looking cars without grills that don't end up like duck lips. For example my favorite looking car of all time, the Ferrari 308.
Another example, the Viper GTS (saw your username) has variants with that low, slim, split-intake instead of a big central grill, and it looks great.
you guys should drive the P3D+ or P3D- (performance/stealth performance model 3). i
you said all EVs have one pedal driving and that's not quite true. nissan is making a big deal about it because it's a new feature for their cars, which was my point. not necessarily who did it first.
you said all EVs have one pedal driving and that's not quite true. nissan is making a big deal about it because it's a new feature for their cars, which was my point. not necessarily who did it first.
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Those are all fair points, and true that tesla's have adaptors that can charge anywhere, meanwhile no one else can charge at a supercharger.
no, I didn’t. I merely included the e-pedal in my list of things I like. Someone else said all ev’s have it.
not true. There are adapters.
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odd, Ive seen the complaints on the Tesla forums about lack of CarPlay so I don’t think its a non issue. As far as i know, if you have Apple Music, all you can do is hook it up to bluetooth and control it like that but theres no dedicated Siri button. So browsing music or even calling it up isn’t really possible. I talked to someone awhile back about this and asked what they do and they said “i have to pick up my phone while driving and choose the song and hit play. It’s kind of a pain”. Unless they’ve changed that and I’m just not up to date on it?
Highly recommend to test drive a Tesla Model 3 if you're looking to purchase an EV. Not the car for you if you're make or break reason is CarPlay although they can just OTA and add them like how they will be doing on the next major update adding apps like Hulu, HBO, Crunchyroll. Wonders of OTA updates that Tesla currently only has. If you actually do care about Carplay that much to ward off a purchase and don't mind a little DIY then a cheap Android Fire 7 Tablet + CarPlay Adapter gets you CarPlay just put in phone holder compartment under screen; audio works just by connecting to Bluetooth as long as you on iOS 13.
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Don’t worry, the car falls apart in 10 years, well before you’ll have to worry about the battery. It’s a feature apparently.
Have they added battery cooling?
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But thermal management would be great.
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In the spirit of making things up.
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This is important. Though less crucial depending on local climate per driver. Also can’t the user have replaced just the depleted cells and get a reconditioned battery cells fitted for much less than a new one?
But thermal management would be great.
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Not quite true. There is a Chademo to Tesla adapter for $450. But is very bulky and Chademo is limited to 50 kW.
Tesla Supercharges are commonly 150kW and some are 250 kW. The 250 kW can add up to 1000 miles of range per hour.
In the Europe some Tesla superchargers have European CCS2 connectors and many Teslas have European CCS2 connectors (mostly model 3s?). But some (Model S and X?) still have proprietary Tesla connector.
In the US (Americas?) Teslas have the proprietary Tesla connector. There is no US CCS 2 to Tesla adapter so here in the US a Tesla cannot use a CCS2 charger.
So the fast DC charging space is kind of a mess if you look at from a distance, but on the ground it is not quite as bad.
The other thing to remember is that for many EV owners they charge at home 99% of the time using home AC current. You come home, spend 5 seconds plug in. And at some later when the rates are low, the car starts charging. In the morning you spend 5 seconds to unplug and leave with "full" tank and have full range. It is as difficult as charging you phone at home.
For me the bottom line is that the only time you charge anywhere but home is on a trip. So you seldom need to stop a charging station, and potential deal charger conflicts. As a result, for many, a lot these charger incompatibilities are small annoyance, more than a daily hassle.
It's gotten way better, I'll give you that. The first Prius I saw was horrendous, and we've come a long way from there, but there's still something about the design that could use a refinement. I imagine it'll come.
Like the 2019 VW E-Golf?
Yes, *exactly* like that. But I defy you to actually find one to buy. I was going to get exactly this, and they told me that I'd be waiting at least a couple years, as every one of the cars shipped to Canada was gone before they even hit the shores. The waiting list is brutal, and the supply is simply not keeping up with demand. I needed a car, so I couldn't go this way.
But VW is honest the only car maker that seems to be doing this in a way that says, "here's a car. Here's our design. You choose how to power it." There's no specific design for it just because it's an EV.
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It's more the interior for me. I care less what the car looks like from the outside than inside as that's what I'm looking at most of the time. But since I've posted, I looked at the dashboards of recent gas-powered cars from Toyota, and they look no better, so maybe I'm misinformed and that's just how things coming from Asia look these days. Aesthetics are subjective, so I guess I'll just say I prefer the German offerings, and leave it at that. *shrug*
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