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Philips Hue parent company Signify debuted a new version of the Hue Festavia string lights back in August, with plenty of availability now that the holidays are approaching. If you're up to date with Hue, you might know that the Festavia first came out last year, but the first version was available in limited quantities and was hard to get.

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After the holidays, the Festavia lights seemed to disappear entirely until the new version came out in this year, and that's because this is a new model. The new Festavia lights and the old Festavia lights are similar in design, but there are tweaks to the sizes of the light strings, the price, weatherproofing, the design of the power supply, and a few other features.

Last year's Festavia lights were priced at $160 for 250 LEDs on a 65-foot strand, and this year, the same 65-foot strand with 250 LEDs is priced at $220. I don't know why the lights are priced higher, but there are two new size options, including a 500-LED 131-foot model and a 100-LED 26-foot model. The Hue website sells the two longer strands right now, but not the shorter version.

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I tested the 250 LED model, which has the LEDs positioned about three inches apart on the strand. The lights themselves are flat at the top with a circular body, which is the same design that was used last year and the shape you'll also see in smart lights from brands like Twinkly. The cord connecting the LEDs is black, which is one of my complaints about the Hue lights.

Black does not blend in as well with a tree as green does when used on a typical Christmas tree, and I feel that it makes the cord stand out more than it should. It would be nice to have color options for the wires rather than being limited to black. Even in non-tree use, black stands out on white trim or white walls. Nanoleaf and Twinkly are using the same black cord for their lights, so maybe it's a color most people don't mind.

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Last year's Festavia lights were designed to be used indoors, but this year's version has weatherproofing and can be used indoors or out. You can use these outside on your porch, outdoor trees, around windows, on eaves, and more, so you're not just limited to inside use. I wouldn't put lights this expensive outside, but I appreciate the versatility for those who do want to use them for outdoor landscaping purposes.

Other than the new weatherproofing rating, the only other difference between the 2022 Festavia and the 2023 Festavia that I found was the design of the power supply. The 2023 version has a 30W plug that you can unscrew from the controller so you can use the Festavia outdoors with other outdoor power you might have.

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With traditional holiday lights, you can connect two or more strands together to run off of the same power supply, but that is not an option here. Every strand has its own dedicated power supply and these are bulky, especially when used indoors. I put two strands on my tree, and it's a lot of cabling hefty power supplies to deal with. For a Christmas tree that's about seven feet tall, I can get away with one strand, but two strands covers the front and back more fully at a better density. I wish there was an option for a 65-foot strand with a higher LED density, because 65 feet is the right length for a standard tree, but a single strand doesn't feel like quite enough due to the spacing.


These are low voltage LEDs that don't get warm, so you can use them just about anywhere without worrying about a fire hazard. Since these are string lights meant for holiday decorating, there is a warning in the box that suggests you can only leave them up for 90 days. It's a warning that is required under the UL standard used for this type of light because of the testing parameters used for them. I have kept the prior-generation Festavia lights up for a much longer period of time without issue because I am not packing away such expensive lights for most of the year, but it's something to pay attention to.

Like all Hue lights, the Hue Festavia is controlled through the Hue app. It supports 16 million colors and multiple shades of white as it is a "White and Color Ambiance" product, plus it is a gradient light so the colors blend into one another. The Festavia lights can be used directly in the Hue app over Bluetooth, but it's a better experience if you have a Hue Bridge. A Bridge allows for control away from home, connectivity over Wi-Fi, and of course integration with other Hue products.

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With the Hue app, there are a lot of options for color schemes. There are three total zones for each strand of lights, and you can set each one to a separate color on the color wheel to use the gradient effect. Scenes can be created and saved, and the lights work with all of the scenes in the Hue scene gallery for pre-set color arrangements.

There are six special effects available too, including candle, fireplace, sparkle, glisten, opal, and prism. Candle and fireplace are self-explanatory and aren't really designed for this kind of string light. Candle looks okay with just the flickering yellow lights, but fireplace is much oranger and looks out of place.


The other four options are perfect for the Festavia. Sparkle is a white/yellow light scheme that looks like slow twinkling lights. Glisten is similar to sparkle but with more "twinkle," and opal, which looks like its namesake, is by far my favorite. Opal uses soft, pastel lights that are just shy of white and it cycles through them for a soft, but colorful effect that looks something like the lighting equivalent of a nighttime winter snowfall. It's one of the most magica... Click here to read rest of article

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ChrisA

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I just bought a string of Nanoleaf Christmas tree lights. The Black Friday price, direct from Nanoleaf was about $90. They are functionally identical to Hue. They really work well. They are so bright I dim them to 33%. The app comes with a few patterns but you can program them yourself.

Also, they work in Matter over Thread so they integrate very well with Apple Homekit

Nanoleaf and Hue look alike, the way they are packaged and the size and shape of each LED, the kind of wire used looks like they are the same. Even the size and shape of the controller box are the same. But it looks like the software is different.
 
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ChrisA

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A Chinese set is probably less than 20 buck, put a remote mains socket on them & you save over 200 bucks.
The $20 string does not have individually addressable colored lights. With Hue and my Nanoleaf lights, Each LED can change from white to colored and can fade. So you can program things like moving patterns and animations.

I can make the string red on one end and white on the other end and then make the red/white border move down the string and reappear at the other end. Or I can set all the lights to random colors and let them randomly transitions. Or the other one I like is "sparkle". The LEDS are set to all whiite but some of them so brighter or dimmer randomly to like like twinkling stars. Another effect is to emulate candle light. What it can do is endless because it is programmable.
 

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I just bought a string of Nanoleaf Christmas tree lights. The Black Friday price, direct from Nanoleaf was about $90. They are functionally identical to Hue. They really work well. They are so bright I dim them to 33%. The app comes with a few patterns but you can program them yourself.

Also, they work in Matter over Thread so they integrate very well with Apple Homekit

Nanoleaf and Hue look alike, the way they are packaged and the size and shape of each LED, the kind of wire used looks like they are the same. Even the size and shape of the controller box are the same. But it looks like the software is different.

I have a review coming of the Nanoleaf ones soon, I'm interested to see how they measure up compared to Twinkly, too.
 

jclo

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all of the light bulbs in my apartment are Philips Hue however I opted for Twinkly as Christmas lights. I’ve just bought 400 special edition Twinkly for price as low as 90$ last Black Friday

That's a nice deal. I think the Twinkly lights are super nice too, for the record. I don't like them quite as much as the Hue because they are just a little more on the flamboyant side, but there's more versatility in terms of patterning and rhythms. It's also fun to kind of paint the Christmas tree.
 

NightFox

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I seem to remember when these were originally launched last Christmas, people saying that Twinkly lights were much more expensive in the US. Now this no longer seems to be the case, I can't see why anyone would go for these rather than Twinkly ones (and that comes from someone otherwise heavily committed to Hue) as it seems that Twinkly strings can do everything Festavia lights can, and then much more. Yes, Twinkly lights can be used garishly, but with control over their brightness and by selecting appropriate effects they can be as subtle as you want.
 
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Radeon85

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I have hue lighting in my whole house, but these things are a rip-off, but then again the main bulbs are close to being one as well when they aren't on offer.
 

unobtainium

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LED lights just do not look Christmas-y to me. The colors look like carnival lighting or something. They don't have that warm glow that the old-fashioned lights had. I guess you won't even be able to buy the old ones eventually.
 

macduke

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I don't know why the lights are priced higher
Ok I’ll break it down for you: They want more money.

This has been happening across the board in recent years. “People can afford our prices, so we must be setting our prices too low” is the predominant thinking right now. Usually in capitalism it balances out with competition, but there isn’t really competition anymore. Most companies use AI or some algorithm to set prices, and if everyone is using a similar model, they all set the prices as high as they can reasonably go.

This is extracting wealth from the working class at a rate I’ve never seen before. It’s basically a (currently) legal way that companies can coordinate price hikes without getting in trouble for price fixing, because they can just put the blame on the algorithms. We need to make this practice illegal before it collapses our economy. This is gonna be one of those things my future grandkids learn about in their history books and wonder “Why didn’t they see this coming?”
 

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LED lights just do not look Christmas-y to me. The colors look like carnival lighting or something. They don't have that warm glow that the old-fashioned lights had. I guess you won't even be able to buy the old ones eventually.

LEDs like this can be set to a warm light that is pretty close to what you get from incandescent. Also for those interested, Twinkly makes these little bulb caps for its lights, and they fit Hue too. I think these are super great for getting away from the LED look and achieving something more diffused. I've been slowly putting these on my Twinkly lights -- it takes forever because it has to be done one by one and also it's $20/100 so not cheap.
 

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Still waiting for a bridge that handles more lights.

Still waiting for an app that let's you backup and restore the bridge with all the lights.

Still waiting for an app/system that seamlessly merges multiple bridges.

This. Oh so very, this! I have three hubs and with Bridgewrapper being shuttered (which made them pretty bearable for the last few years) I am now back to working with slow responding lights, if they even bother to at all.

For such a premiumly priced product, their software and hub functionality is a disgrace. I am sure as hell not dropping more cash on yet more of their lights, they need to work on system fundamentals more than trying to catch up on Twinkly.
 

onafriday

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I’m planning to get these to use as permanent outdoor string lights. It would never have occurred to me to use them on a Christmas tree!
 

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Ok I’ll break it down for you: They want more money.

This has been happening across the board in recent years. “People can afford our prices, so we must be setting our prices too low” is the predominant thinking right now. Usually in capitalism it balances out with competition, but there isn’t really competition anymore. Most companies use AI or some algorithm to set prices, and if everyone is using a similar model, they all set the prices as high as they can reasonably go.

This is extracting wealth from the working class at a rate I’ve never seen before. It’s basically a (currently) legal way that companies can coordinate price hikes without getting in trouble for price fixing, because they can just put the blame on the algorithms. We need to make this practice illegal before it collapses our economy. This is gonna be one of those things my future grandkids learn about in their history books and wonder “Why didn’t they see this coming?”
Umm...then just don't buy them. These are neat, but there's no way I'd spend this much on Christmas tree lights, especially considering they only get used one month a year. I got a box of 300 for $14 from Wal-Mart last week. Do they change color? No. Can I turn them on from my phone? No. Can I make them come on at certain times of the day? Yes, with a 20-year old timer. But they have a simple, nostalgic, incandescent, white light that LED's simply can't match yet.
How do we beat the algorithm? Stop buying **** we don't need and/or can't afford. And give what you can to those who need it far more than we do. Then maybe, prices will come down.
 

macduke

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Umm...then just don't buy them. These are neat, but there's no way I'd spend this much on Christmas tree lights, especially considering they only get used one month a year. I got a box of 300 for $14 from Wal-Mart last week. Do they change color? No. Can I turn them on from my phone? No. Can I make them come on at certain times of the day? Yes, with a 20-year old timer. But they have a simple, nostalgic, incandescent, white light that LED's simply can't match yet.
How do we beat the algorithm? Stop buying **** we don't need and/or can't afford. And give what you can to those who need it far more than we do. Then maybe, prices will come down.
I agree and I won’t and I do have the old school ones but on a smart switch that I already use for a light in that corner. But the bigger problem is they use this algorithm on things we need like housing and cars. Most people don’t realize how rental companies pretty much use the same software to set prices so it’s collusion by proxy. Same for cars. Kelley Blue book has that market cornered, and their parent company owns tons of used cars that they keep in a giant lot and don’t sell to artificially adjust the used car market. This is all stuff you can see actual video proof of online. It’s wild. This isn’t capitalism, at least not the kind I grew up with. This is something much more troubling.
 
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mentaluproar

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Or you could rig up your own set with generic addressable LEDs and flashing WLED onto an ESP32 or 8266 and get something much better for cheaper.
 

Sowelu

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Nothing says Christmas like cold LED lights. I'll stick to that warm incandescent glow.

LED lighting does not belong in homes (or in street lamps, for that matter - terrible lighting). Sadly, when the lightbulb industry had to produce bulbs under a certain wattage to save energy, they all cheaped out and went the LED route instead of beautiful eco-halogen, which could've been advanced to be just as efficient. I guess they felt it would've been a waste of R&D when the masses haven't a clue on what good lighting looks like.
 
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CarAnalogy

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Good and honest review, thank you.

50 Hue lights. I don't even want to do the math on that.
 
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