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LOL no, there is not 'surging interest' in electric cars. There's a media and occasional government push for them, that's all. The problem is charging for the millions of people who live in condos, apartments, townhouses, etc. and the length of time it takes to charge. Until the charging is as quick as filling up at a gas station, electric vehicles will remain a niche item (and glorified social status symbol).
First, you are plainly wrong about the surging interest in electric vehicles.


As for the other items: you are spreading FUD. I have an EV and live in a condo. I can charge in the condo parking garage. More buildings are providing charging stations all the time.

For those worried about range, perhaps they don’t comprehend the difference between gassing up and charging. With an EV, you can plug it in when you get home from work and have a full charge the next morning. So if the vehicle has a 200 mile range, you can start every day with that range. 99% of the time, people do not drive over 200 miles a day. Once you’ve had one for a month or two, you realize this and stop worrying about range.

I hope those building out electric charging infrastructure realize that putting charging stations at: 1) homes and 2) workplaces is the best way to spend the infrastructure money. Charging stations at highway rest stops are important for people taking long trips, but the home and workplace chargers are the most critical pieces of the charging network. In addition, charging vehicles overnight during off-peak electric usage hours will prevent a surge in EVs from over-taxing the grid. Many states offer lower electricity rates for EV users that charge during certain overnight hours.
 
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$45K gets me a Toyota 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium, a Highlander Hybrid, a Honda Passport or a Civic Type R with money left over, a Subaru Outback, Mazda CX-9, CPO Lexus GX460…lots of great vehicles. Other than Volvo, the rest of the European nameplates are all crap now anyways, but I would be up for an XC60 or a V60.

sorry but I wouldn’t want any of those.
 
sorry but I wouldn’t want any of those.
Sure, different strokes for different folks, but you stated “I'm in the U.S. Typically you can't buy much of anything for $45,000 in the states.” Which isn’t really a true statement as there are perfectly good and great cars in that price range.

For me personally, there isn’t a European automaker outside of Volvo, that I would ever purchase or even lease as they’re overpriced, unreliable and overly expensive to repair. My father in law had a 2001 Audi AllRoad Quattro and the info display between the speedo and tach stop working. Well, it conveys vital info on the car’s status and trouble codes. Replacement was $600-$800 and a week in the shop because the whole dashboard has to come out. Some Audi’s need their engine taken out to replace the timing belt. I suspect VW’s EVs are going to be just as big a pain to live with long term as their petrol brethren and VW Group cousins.

Regardless, there are plenty of great cars at the $45K mark for buyers in the USA.
 
This is true. Too bad most Americans can't afford them.
And there are plenty of cars from $20,000-$45,000 that are good and reliable for this that cannot afford a $45,000 vehicle. CPO and used go cheaper than that. There’s basically something for everyone. The person I was responding to basically single out $45K as a price point, so I replied to him on those specific terms.
 
Sure, different strokes for different folks, but you stated “I'm in the U.S. Typically you can't buy much of anything for $45,000 in the states.” Which isn’t really a true statement as there are perfectly good and great cars in that price range.

For me personally, there isn’t a European automaker outside of Volvo, that I would ever purchase or even lease as they’re overpriced, unreliable and overly expensive to repair. My father in law had a 2001 Audi AllRoad Quattro and the info display between the speedo and tach stop working. Well, it conveys vital info on the car’s status and trouble codes. Replacement was $600-$800 and a week in the shop because the whole dashboard has to come out. Some Audi’s need their engine taken out to replace the timing belt. I suspect VW’s EVs are going to be just as big a pain to live with long term as their petrol brethren and VW Group cousins.

Regardless, there are plenty of great cars at the $45K mark for buyers in the USA.
$45K is very expensive for a car.

The average price for a new car in America is about $40,000. However, I cannot find the statistics for the median price. I expect it is far lower, and the prevalence of very expensive cars ($70K and up) skews an average. Let’s say you have 3 car sales - $20K, $25K, $75K. You get an average price of $40K! But clearly that isn’t giving you an accurate picture of what 2/3s of the buyers are getting. I wish the data released would show a median price so we can see more clearly what is really happening.

The car featured in this thread is an SUV and it is electric, which puts it near the high-end of cars, and it is supposedly right at or below the “average” price for a car? Just tells you how poor a metric the average sales price truly is.

Good article from Consumer Reports trying to put this high average price into perspective here:

 
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Most other reviews have been pretty negative on VW’s infotainment system. Did VW update it?
I'm not sure about the reviews, but the two owners I've spoken to are not at all happy with it. One of them had moved from a BMW i3 like mean and they hated it!
 
All that $$, and they couldn't think to put in a unisex shoe/foot in the climate control panel.
 
I'm not sure about the reviews, but the two owners I've spoken to are not at all happy with it. One of them had moved from a BMW i3 like mean and they hated it!
The Taos is roughly the same size and same performance as the iD.4, but with a gas engine that gets over 30 mpg combined.

It also costs much less per trim level, though in a state like California, the state and feds combined bribe you with $9000 to bring the two closer in price.

I just don’t see VW selling huge numbers of overpriced SUVs to VW fans when they are offering 3 other SUV models that either offer the same features for less, or more room and features for the same price.

And I don’t see them recruiting a huge number of tesla customers or convincing other brand loyalists to switch to VW based on the funky looking iD.4.

I was just at my local VW dealer getting mine serviced (3yr) and they had 1st and Pro editions on display and I just think it looks funky inside and out. They were setting up for an iD.4 marketing function of some kind, but I had things to do and couldn’t stay. All of their iD.4s are already sold or “sold” via deposit, but I expect it will be like the Mustang MACH-E. Lots of first month interest, then very little long term interest.
 
I'm not sure about the reviews, but the two owners I've spoken to are not at all happy with it. One of them had moved from a BMW i3 like mean and they hated it!
My wife has an ID.3 (basically the same software). It's not as bad as some claim. There was a car firmware update that improved things - fixed serious bugs and the UI became snappier. With that update the car obtained the ability to receive future firmware updates over the air, ala Tesla. My understanding is that there there is a major refresh in the works on the infotainment system that will roll out OTA later this year with new features and fixes.
 
It was revealed this week.

Lots of touch controls, but haptic touch, with indents, so almost like real buttons.

And still a volume knob for the radio!
Oh man it's going to come in red - I need a red vehicle for my company (I currently drive a red Golf) - I am beyond pumped. Such a great looking vehicle!
 
I am an ID.4 owner. First off for me at least it was not 45k after the federal rebates but is 7500 less when that is factored in. I LOVE this car. I was a former Diesel guy and now drive all electric. Both a Chevy Bolt and this. The car is a great car, and the infotainment system shows promise, however at the current time it is hampered by bugs and lots of them. The infotainment interface is rather Alpha. Still everything else about the car checks all the boxes and comes in cheaper than the Model Y. I know they are working on the infotainment and there has been a marked improvement from 2.0 to 2.1. VW has committed to making it better. Overall it is a very good car for the money. It looks great, has reasonable performance and a good price.
 
Lots of people stating that reviews were negative about the infotainment system. The author acknowledged this in the article and said that it has been updated. I also test drove the ID.4 today and the system worked flawlessly. It is also much more intuitive than in the Tesla or Jaguar both of which I had for a few days. (in case anyone cares for a second opinion)
 
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Central infotainment screens are a complete waste of time for me. I live in the U.K. so have a right hand drive car. Trying to use a touchscreen with my left hand is so difficult I don’t bother. They need to make these things fully voice controlled so everyone can use them or create a linked app so I can do it all on my iPhone instead.
That’s why steering wheels in normal countries are on the left. Also allowed for using the turn signals and stick shift simultaneously, as they should be.
 
I’m all for EV’s but not sure why anyone would get this over a Tesla Model 3? Not sure how anyone can support the VW company after their diesel debacle as well. Just an awful company and mediocre cars.
It just drives slightly better. The drive is smoother. Tesla’s are jerky, and the suspension a bit too hard. And Tesla does not have CarPlay, those were the two deal breakers for me so I opted for the Jaguar, now considering the ID.4 (if leather interior becomes available) or the Kia EV6; both because of faster charging and better automated steering.
 
First, you are plainly wrong about the surging interest in electric vehicles.


As for the other items: you are spreading FUD. I have an EV and live in a condo. I can charge in the condo parking garage. More buildings are providing charging stations all the time.

For those worried about range, perhaps they don’t comprehend the difference between gassing up and charging. With an EV, you can plug it in when you get home from work and have a full charge the next morning. So if the vehicle has a 200 mile range, you can start every day with that range. 99% of the time, people do not drive over 200 miles a day. Once you’ve had one for a month or two, you realize this and stop worrying about range.

I hope those building out electric charging infrastructure realize that putting charging stations at: 1) homes and 2) workplaces is the best way to spend the infrastructure money. Charging stations at highway rest stops are important for people taking long trips, but the home and workplace chargers are the most critical pieces of the charging network. In addition, charging vehicles overnight during off-peak electric usage hours will prevent a surge in EVs from over-taxing the grid. Many states offer lower electricity rates for EV users that charge during certain overnight hours.
In London we have over 3,000 charging points built in street lighting already that are super cheap (plus hundreds of dedicated charge points). Still, there are so many EV’s in my street now, I only find an available charge once every few days. That’s enough for now but not sure about next year if people keep buying EV’s.
 
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This is clearly paid for or some sort of ad. Every single review I've seen hasn't had any good things to say about the infotainment system in the ID.4.
Completely agree, every review I've seen has had it lag, crash or just be buggy. One had to leave the car for an hour while it reset.

The overall car will be better built than my Tesla but Model 3's infotainment is near on perfect. (I still prefer the retofitted carplay in my rattly old DBS though)
 
This is clearly paid for or some sort of ad. Every single review I've seen hasn't had any good things to say about the infotainment system in the ID.4.
I have the same infotainment system in my 2021 Golf GTI.

CarPlay is just another mode so to speak. I use CarPlay over the default VW infotainment config. CarPlay runs natively on the screen & integrates fully like with any previous VW, obviously. Added bonus in the 2021 cars is wireless CarPlay as standard.
 
Completely agree, every review I've seen has had it lag, crash or just be buggy. One had to leave the car for an hour while it reset.

The overall car will be better built than my Tesla but Model 3's infotainment is near on perfect. (I still prefer the retofitted carplay in my rattly old DBS though)
The earlier innitial versions had problems. My car has version 1666 I think which is the latest firmware or one of the later versions and I haven't had any issues at all.
 
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I’m all for EV’s but not sure why anyone would get this over a Tesla Model 3? Not sure how anyone can support the VW company after their diesel debacle as well. Just an awful company and mediocre cars.
Better build quality. Rear doors on the Model 3 are very very small if you're swinging a child seat in. Model 3 only has a hatch. If the Polstar 2 or ID4 had been available when I bought my Model 3 I;d have chosen them.
 
Maybe it's just me, but with a lot of cars I have the impression the infotainment controls were added as an afterthought. It often looks like they somehow bolted a touch screen somewhere on the dashboard instead of actually integrating it into the dashboard.
 
I’m an owner of a 2021 VE ID.4 Pro S. Today marks 1 week of it in my possession.
I find no issues with the infotainment system. CarPlay works seamlessly for me. I find Tesla’s hideous. But that’s my opinion. Their screen shows a lot of info, but I don’t need all of that. The ID.4 fits my needs. I don’t experience any real lag on CarPlay or the infotainment system generally. Every now & then it takes like 5 seconds to connect, but that’s it so far (knocks on wood).
Just as there are iPhone vs. Android debates, a lot of this is Tesla vs. VW.
 
First, you are plainly wrong about the surging interest in electric vehicles.


As for the other items: you are spreading FUD. I have an EV and live in a condo. I can charge in the condo parking garage. More buildings are providing charging stations all the time.

For those worried about range, perhaps they don’t comprehend the difference between gassing up and charging. With an EV, you can plug it in when you get home from work and have a full charge the next morning. So if the vehicle has a 200 mile range, you can start every day with that range. 99% of the time, people do not drive over 200 miles a day. Once you’ve had one for a month or two, you realize this and stop worrying about range.

I hope those building out electric charging infrastructure realize that putting charging stations at: 1) homes and 2) workplaces is the best way to spend the infrastructure money. Charging stations at highway rest stops are important for people taking long trips, but the home and workplace chargers are the most critical pieces of the charging network. In addition, charging vehicles overnight during off-peak electric usage hours will prevent a surge in EVs from over-taxing the grid. Many states offer lower electricity rates for EV users that charge during certain overnight hours.
1. US electric car sales are only up because of model Y sales. This means normal people still aren't buying electric cars, just the rich re-upping their Tesla leases, buying a second for their significant other, and the occasional others probably buying a second car that's electric. Europe and China have EV surges, but I know nothing about their driving styles vs the US's. EV sales in USA (+4 % y/y) outperformed the auto-market (-15 % y/y) mostly from the introduction of the Model-Y. ev-volumes.com

2. If we're waiting for electric chargers to be added to apartment buildings and office parking structures, we're going to be waiting a long long long time. They may be added to AAA structures in big metro areas but what's the expense of adding a charger to every single parking place in every single apartment building?
Some apartments in my area don't even include an assigned parking spot, you have to pay an extra $100 a month. Also most apartments in my area were built in the 60s and 70s with natural gas heat, dryers, and stoves, so a 2 bedroom apartment may only get a 60A service. I can't imagine the upgrade cost from the utility to increase the street transformer to double the apartment building's mains service.
And office parking? If they're going to put super chargers in lots packed so full they're valet only, maybe they could just build another story to the garage so it doesn't fill up by 8:30am.

What I'm getting at is if electric cars are truly supposed to be the future, it will have to be much more accessible to the consumer. If someone scrapes by every 10 years to buy a used car that's under $15k that will last them another 10 years with little to no maintenance, how could they possibly afford to also choose an apartment or office that happens to include charging.

The solution to gasoline needs to be as easy as gasoline. Easy to travel, easy to commute, easy to park, easy for old people, easy for old houses, easy for rural areas, easy for dense metros.

I live in california and PG&E can't even keep the power on. Maybe tesla can afford to build out their electric network using stockholder's funds but if every house on every street doubled their electric need, we're all screwed.
 
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