Are you kidding me? Not all of us can afford to just buy every computer out there and see what we like best, and not all of us live near an Apple store to go and try out the machines (and even if we did, that's still not super informative because you can't do everything in a store that you would at home). A good review informs us on the strengths and weaknesses of the product, so that we can decide whether or not it's something that's worth purchasing. Most of us have a frame of reference (being other laptops / macbooks) -- so if reviews universally are saying that in some aspects the new product is a step back from the old one, that's a point of concern.
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I think these new models are the best out there. Nothing new here. It's true that notebooks now have diminished returns, as do all computers. The tech is aged, and a little stagnant.
If this years model looks just like last years (or 4 years ago, in this case), it's not Apple's fault, and may be a good thing, as "If it ain't broke...." . The Touch-bar, may be a gimmick, but hey! a little gimmick here and there to spice up a stagnant market ain't so bad is it?
If this years model looks just like last years (or 4 years ago, in this case), it's not Apple's fault, and may be a good thing, as "If it ain't broke...." . The Touch-bar, may be a gimmick, but hey! a little gimmick here and there to spice up a stagnant market ain't so bad is it?
One can test the Macs without buying them. And even if you buy one, you have a 14 day grace period, if you are on the fence.
There is nothing wrong with watching reviews and desseminating the information therein, and using it as a part of one's personal research. My point was that it is not very wise to rely solely on what another stranger says....
So the leaked Intel Kaby Lake quadcore laptop chip specs show it'll have up to 64gb... ie the January Dell XPS.
The reviews are a bit strange, I'd say they are almost following a set narrative. Most of these publications like to follow a certain story, because everyone loves a good story - even if it's a negative one (maybe even more so).
My example is one review - maybe it was Engadget, I don't remember - where the reviewer said (paraphrasing): "The new MacBook Pro 15" is faster than the previous generation, but still slower than the iMac I use at work". Ehm, when did we start expecting for lower-clocked laptops to get better scores than desktop computers? Other review mentioned how there really isn't a big jump in CPU performance - but, did we expect a big jump? And then goes on to say "that's because Apple is using last-gen CPUs". There is so much wrong here - even if we disregard the fact that Kaby Lake for these Macs isn't out yet, even when it is, the CPU performance gains won't be ground shaking. That's just the reality of things - shouldn't the reviewers know that? And even if the performance gains are small, the computers themselves are smaller and lighter!
As I said, the reviews seem weird to me. Like they are trying to be cool, like: Yeah, it's faster, and great screen, great build, great speakers, yadda yadda yadda, it's lighter too.... yawn. I mean, what did they expect? Just seems weird. I'm waiting for Anandtech to tell us how it really is.
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Omg, not this Dell crap again
) Just rename this Dellrumors and let's be done with it
BTW, I doubt it, because Kaby Lake also doesn't support more than 16Gb LPDDR4, that's Coffee Lake coming much later. But hey, let's wait and see. Great if they can pull it off, I can't wait to read how Apple lost it and how Dell is the new choice for pros all over the forum
My example is one review - maybe it was Engadget, I don't remember - where the reviewer said (paraphrasing): "The new MacBook Pro 15" is faster than the previous generation, but still slower than the iMac I use at work". Ehm, when did we start expecting for lower-clocked laptops to get better scores than desktop computers? Other review mentioned how there really isn't a big jump in CPU performance - but, did we expect a big jump? And then goes on to say "that's because Apple is using last-gen CPUs". There is so much wrong here - even if we disregard the fact that Kaby Lake for these Macs isn't out yet, even when it is, the CPU performance gains won't be ground shaking. That's just the reality of things - shouldn't the reviewers know that? And even if the performance gains are small, the computers themselves are smaller and lighter!
As I said, the reviews seem weird to me. Like they are trying to be cool, like: Yeah, it's faster, and great screen, great build, great speakers, yadda yadda yadda, it's lighter too.... yawn. I mean, what did they expect? Just seems weird. I'm waiting for Anandtech to tell us how it really is.
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Omg, not this Dell crap again
) Just rename this Dellrumors and let's be done with it BTW, I doubt it, because Kaby Lake also doesn't support more than 16Gb LPDDR4, that's Coffee Lake coming much later. But hey, let's wait and see. Great if they can pull it off, I can't wait to read how Apple lost it and how Dell is the new choice for pros all over the forum
BTW, I doubt it, because Kaby Lake also doesn't support more than 16Gb LPDDR4, that's Coffee Lake coming much later. But hey, let's wait and see. Great if they can pull it off, I can't wait to read how Apple lost it and how Dell is the new choice for pros all over the forum
The leaked tests only came out a few hours ago, perhaps you should update your talking points?
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/8116503
That leaked HP model has 64GB. The boomdogle over LPDD really is the Great Apple Boondogle: that choice is just that, a design choice. They shrank the battery.
Well, then they opted for worse battery life. The battery life on XPS 15" with 4K is 5 hours. This will be even worse - but fine, I guess, for people who prefer more RAM to battery life. But battery will suck with 64Gb, no doubt about it.
Hey, I keep saying, it's great to have a choice. I wouldn't touch that thing with a pole, but not everyone is like me. Enjoy!
And personally I find 4k slightly daft overkill on a 15" screen, and the 11+hours and a 95% as beautiful 1080 screen far better.
The solution of which would be... Apple released their OS to install on a wider choice of hardware.
It's a great machine, but so is my 2015 that is sitting here. Just like the Anandtech review says, there hasn't been huge leaps in increased speed from Intel in the past year or so. We can talk about CPU's that aren't really out in meaningful quantities, but that is pointless.
Advantages: A bit better screen, a bit faster, a bit better GPU, a overall a much nicer form factor than the previous model. The new and pretty cool touch bar along with the big ass trackpad is pretty awesome. Even the keyboard. I dare say that anyone except those who judge it prior to ever trying will like it, and then probably even prefer it over the older model. Four Thunderbolt 3 ports that are versatile and have all the bandwidth you will ever need while this machine is still relevant.
I don't even care much about the loss of the magsafe power connector connector, although I'm sure many of you do. The replaceable USB cord to the power brick will serve anyone well who has a bastard of a cat that likes to chew through them when left out. Now, for just a few bucks I can replace just the cable.
Downsides - Dongles of course. Until the future catches up (currently sitting here with my Thunderbolt adapter to allow me to plug in my backup drive, and a USB dongle for my phone), life is dongles. 32GB option would have been a no-brainer for me, as I've been sitting at 16GB for the last few revisions. Don't really care how much you may assume my "needs" are.
So, I'll be really giving this thing a go during the return period. I have a just out of warranty 2015 (stupid me for forgetting to buy the AppleCare prior to the end of the year of ownership) that has served me well, and no doubt will continue to do so for me, or whoever is lucky enough to get quite a good deal on it when I go to sell it.
Advantages: A bit better screen, a bit faster, a bit better GPU, a overall a much nicer form factor than the previous model. The new and pretty cool touch bar along with the big ass trackpad is pretty awesome. Even the keyboard. I dare say that anyone except those who judge it prior to ever trying will like it, and then probably even prefer it over the older model. Four Thunderbolt 3 ports that are versatile and have all the bandwidth you will ever need while this machine is still relevant.
I don't even care much about the loss of the magsafe power connector connector, although I'm sure many of you do. The replaceable USB cord to the power brick will serve anyone well who has a bastard of a cat that likes to chew through them when left out. Now, for just a few bucks I can replace just the cable.
Downsides - Dongles of course. Until the future catches up (currently sitting here with my Thunderbolt adapter to allow me to plug in my backup drive, and a USB dongle for my phone), life is dongles. 32GB option would have been a no-brainer for me, as I've been sitting at 16GB for the last few revisions. Don't really care how much you may assume my "needs" are.
So, I'll be really giving this thing a go during the return period. I have a just out of warranty 2015 (stupid me for forgetting to buy the AppleCare prior to the end of the year of ownership) that has served me well, and no doubt will continue to do so for me, or whoever is lucky enough to get quite a good deal on it when I go to sell it.
I don't consider a 1080p screen beautiful on a 15" laptop and while I wouldn't mind for Apple to offer more choice, making a laptop with a poor battery life just to put some large amount of RAM would be a flawed product. But that's just me. It's fine - all personal opinions here