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Revised: Palm Pre Release Set for May 17th.

So the iphone battery does not last 24 hours?? :confused: If I get an iphone, I will use it for audio and possibly an app for about 40 minutes a day, while going to/from work. Are you saying that iphone can't do that? I currently have a touch and have to charge it about once per week.

MrGadget28 said:
The best thing for Apple to do is to find a way to implement a better battery into the next generation of iPhone. If they could make an iPhone with a 24 hour battery life (for all uses), it would kill (not like were ever gonna see that in the next few years).
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FearNo1 said:
So the iphone battery does not last 24 hours?? :confused: If I get an iphone, I will use it for audio and possibly an app for about 40 minutes a day, while going to/from work. Are you saying that iphone can't do that? I currently have a touch and have to charge it about once per week.
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I think what kills the iPhone battery the fastest is the constant email checking that so many users on here seem to insist upon. With my first generation iPhone, if I set email to Push or to Fetch every 15m, my battery will be dead in 24h with only minimal use. However, I don't insist on instant email, so I have mine set to manual fetch, and with the same minimal usage I get 4-5 days on average. It all depends on how you use the phone. The 3G iPhone probably won't last as long, but 2-3 days is certainly possible, if not 3-4 days. I personally would not have a phone that got 24h of battery life, iPhone or not.
 
Interesting...most ppl I talked to say they have to recharge the iphone daily. I guess 3g uses up alot of juice. They are not heavy texters either. I am hoping that the next one has much better battery life.

danny_w said:
I think what kills the iPhone battery the fastest is the constant email checking that so many users on here seem to insist upon. With my first generation iPhone, if I set email to Push or to Fetch every 15m, my battery will be dead in 24h with only minimal use. However, I don't insist on instant email, so I have mine set to manual fetch, and with the same minimal usage I get 4-5 days on average. It all depends on how you use the phone. The 3G iPhone probably won't last as long, but 2-3 days is certainly possible, if not 3-4 days. I personally would not have a phone that got 24h of battery life, iPhone or not.
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FearNo1 said:
Interesting...most ppl I talked to say they have to recharge the iphone daily. I guess 3g uses up alot of juice. They are not heavy texters either. I am hoping that the next one has much better battery life.
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Yes, 3G does use much more battery, but even so I think you should be able to get much more than 24h by turning off Push/Auto Fetch email, reducing screen brightness, etc.
 
The iphone is selling to people that never were in the "smart phone" market. Normal people.
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I agree, but does it matter? There were millions of other smartphone users before Apple came along, and even more now.

The fallacy is thinking that Palm (or anyone else) has to hit the same market as Apple to succeed. In fact, Palm is clearly going after a slightly different one. Just as RIM does. Just as HTC does.

Apple did not "lock themselves out". Then needed a partner to get the price down to the eventuall $199.
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Are you talking about the subsidy? Every smartphone sold in the US has that.

I'm saying that Apple has left 2/3 of the US market wide open for competitors, by locking themselves needlessly with ATT. And/or nobody else wants to play with Apple.
 
Luke1robb said:
ATT's service isn't fantastic, but I would challenge people to go check with the Apple Store to see their dropped calls rate, its almost never above 1-2%, which isn't terrible with an expanding 3G network. Nevertheless, it could definitely see some improvements.
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At all Apple stores they have repeaters to boost the cell signal so it stands to reason they'd have few dropped calls on AT&T there.
 
I have a feeling that palm or sprint is going to horribly botch this launch. I have no solid reason to think that, but how many (including the iPhone) launches were actually without large problems?

I remember waiting for the first iPhone and AT&T's Point of sale system buckled from all the use, HUGE problem.

The second launch, with the activation was horrible, people waiting in line everyday for hours just to find out they were sold out.

Blackberry Bold pushed back month by month.

It seems as if launches are becoming too big for the industry to handle.
 
Anyone know the energy density of the current batteries for the MacBook/MacBook Pro that Apple proclaimed about? Presuming they can use this technology for the next version, we might be able to get a rough idea of what they can fit in the volume currently used for the battery (Apple does a pretty good job space-wise in the 3G iPhone already), and what this might be like in comparison to the current 3G iPhone battery (or batteries - weren't there different versions ?)
 
t0mat0 said:
Anyone know the energy density of the current batteries for the MacBook/MacBook Pro that Apple proclaimed about? Presuming they can use this technology for the next version, we might be able to get a rough idea of what they can fit in the volume currently used for the battery (Apple does a pretty good job space-wise in the 3G iPhone already), and what this might be like in comparison to the current 3G iPhone battery (or batteries - weren't there different versions ?)
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I've heard this new macbook pro battery mentioned quite a bit now. What's the deal with the "new" technology? Just longer lasting? Are you saying it will fit in an iPhone or just using the same tech as the battery? What ever it is it sounds pretty good and battery improvement is always a plus. :)
 
=MuLti-CeLL= said:
I've heard this new macbook pro battery mentioned quite a bit now. What's the deal with the "new" technology? Just longer lasting? Are you saying it will fit in an iPhone or just using the same tech as the battery? What ever it is it sounds pretty good and battery improvement is always a plus. :)
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Oh not this again...

There is no new technology. It is a Li-ion battery like any other. They made it last 8 hours in the MBP because they increased the size, that's it.

So, in conclusion, if they put a bigger battery in the iPhone, it will last longer.
 
Still rumored to release April 30th for $299 on Sprint. I keep getting the emails from my brother (the only one w/o AT&T or T-Mobile iPhones). He's pretty much stuck with Sprint, but is due for the upgrade 4 months ago. The Pre is his savior b/c now he can dropkick his Istank to the curb! (His words)....:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
I think people are looking at other phones like the Pre, Storm, G1, etc...all in the wrong fashion.

I've been fascinated with Jeff Jarvis' book "What Would Google Do?", and he talks about how the goal isn't anymore to try to beat the biggest market leader, but to be the niche taking small bites out of their profits.

All these new phones, the goal should not be to kill the iPhone, but to instead find their own niche and build upon it. Don't top the iPhone as much as be different from it.

Blackberry users loved their phones as business machines, while they saw iPhones as a lot of bells and whistles. They should take ideas from Apple, like allowing better apps to be built to work with Office, Exchange Servers, and even look for means to bring in live content like stock prices and such.

Same deal for the rest. If I created a new Smartphone, my goal wouldn't be to take Apple's market, but to build my own market. My own niche. I would get my customers heavily involved in the design process and build the products to their requests and wishes. If iPhone users happen to jump ship to my company, then more power to me.

Time Magazine spoke years ago how the iPhone isn't the best phone built, but it has set the bar higher. Look how many companies made their own copycats or variations on the idea? Apple is doing the same when they see functions the other phones have that they don't. Look how they are trying to get iPhones to be accepted also as business devices.

Stop looking for an iPhone killer or worrying if one will kill the iPhone. Maybe one will eventually be the new leader, but it also means bigger and better phones for us all, and eventually Apple would come back with something better than that.

In the end, we consumers hopefully get better things out of it.
 
Howard Stern was just talking about this phone today.. yea, hes a complete "fuddy duddy" when it comes to technology, and he has seen the iphone, but he likes his old treo.

anyways, he was saying that some guys from the palm company came to his house and showed him the new phone because they want him to use it - but they said he cant have one until the announce the arrival - which is said would likely be in April according to his conversation with the guys.

He said it was a great phone and could be the one to save the Palm Company.. but this IS howard stern and he does not like change.. so that is the market for that phone
 
D-Jam said:
I've been fascinated with Jeff Jarvis' book "What Would Google Do?", and he talks about how the goal isn't anymore to try to beat the biggest market leader, but to be the niche taking small bites out of their profits.

All these new phones, the goal should not be to kill the iPhone, but to instead find their own niche and build upon it.
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Well, the market leader would be Nokia/Symbian, iPhone is dead last when it comes to Companies/OS's with more than a 5% market share.

So I guess what you mean to say is Apple and Palm should both find their respective niche from Nokia, not from each other.
 
Eso said:
Well, the market leader would be Nokia/Symbian, iPhone is dead last when it comes to Companies/OS's with more than a 5% market share.

So I guess what you mean to say is Apple and Palm should both find their respective niche from Nokia, not from each other.
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I thought about this when I read his post and realized that this is exactly what Apple has done.

Is Palm going after a niche within a niche?
 
Eso said:
Well, the market leader would be Nokia/Symbian, iPhone is dead last when it comes to Companies/OS's with more than a 5% market share.
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Are we comparing like products where Gartner says Apple was #3 in smartphone sales for 2008 or are we including all the "buy 1 get 3 free" phones. Because if you're going to throw around numbers, it matters.
 
skwoytek said:
Are we comparing like products where Gartner says Apple was #3 in smartphone sales for 2008 or are we including all the "buy 1 get 3 free" phones. Because if you're going to throw around numbers, it matters.
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Also are we comparing ONE iPhone model vs ONE BB, Symbian, etc... model? I think not. Let's compare number of Apple products, total, to the number of BB's sold.

Now you'll argue that you can't compare software, cables, computers, etc.. to the sale of phones. EXACTLY my point! You can't compare ALL of another maufacture's product sales to ONE singled out product.
 
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