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Let's compare number of Apple products, total, to the number of BB's sold.

Now you'll argue that you can't compare software, cables, computers, etc.. to the sale of phones. EXACTLY my point! You can't compare ALL of another maufacture's product sales to ONE singled out product.

The comparison is specifically smartphone sales, so, there you go.
 
The comparison is specifically smartphone sales, so, there you go.

I think the problem is that saying "iPhone is dead last when it comes to Companies/OS's with more than a 5% market share," belies that fact that Apple was #3 in smartphone device sales and #4 in smartphone OS sales.

Why cut off at 5%? Because it allowed you to claim that iPhone is dead last...

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Source: Gartner, Inc.

It'd be one thing if Nokia/Symbian had iPod's 70%+ marketshare, but they're right at 50% and iPhone's growth is extreme. Not to mention that in 2008 the 3G was only available half the year.
 
Why cut off at 5%? Because it allowed you to claim that iPhone is dead last...

Mostly because "other" is larger than 20% which is pretty significant. The lower limit as to which percentage point is relative insignificance is up for debate; 5% sounded like a round number where anything less than that seems more like it is the budget-priced alternative than an actual market competitor. Also, I can only name HTC phone and I didn't even know Sharp made them. Either way you look at it, Apple/iPhone OS is far from the "Biggest market leader", to which I was replying.
 
If you're talking iPhone OS devices, you have to count in iPod touches since thy run the same OS and developers can make programs for them.
 
Mostly because "other" is larger than 20% which is pretty significant. The lower limit as to which percentage point is relative insignificance is up for debate; 5% sounded like a round number where anything less than that seems more like it is the budget-priced alternative than an actual market competitor. Also, I can only name HTC phone and I didn't even know Sharp made them. Either way you look at it, Apple/iPhone OS is far from the "Biggest market leader", to which I was replying.

Are you still trolling comparing the sale of 30 different models, most of which you can get for free or less then $99 on a contract - not to mention the buy one get one free crap phones; you're actually comparing it to a phone that originally sold for $599 WITH a two year contract, originally available on ONE carrier, not on 100 carriers WORLDWIDE.

Seriously dude your the point you're trying to make stinks so bad a fly wouldn't land on it. Go troll the BB forums, that's obviously where you'd prefer to be.

When you actually break it down and compare ONE phone model available on ONE carrier and PRICED at or above $199 with a two year contract requiring a data package on top of your phone service - there's not another phone out there that can match the sales of the iPhone.

With your mindset, microsoft will hire you to make some more commercials for them - go ahead, go....
 
If you're talking iPhone OS devices, you have to count in iPod touches since thy run the same OS and developers can make programs for them.

Perhaps we should also count all Windows Mobile and CE handhelds, such as the ones that Apple uses in their stores. And for all the delivery and repair people in the world. There are millions. And their kinds of apps can cost someone thousands of dollars.

However, the topic is smartphones. If/when the topic is simply programming for mobile OSX, then let's definitely count the iPods too.

When you actually break it down and compare ONE phone model available on ONE carrier and PRICED at or above $199 with a two year contract requiring a data package on top of your phone service - there's not another phone out there that can match the sales of the iPhone.

So when the next model of the iPhone comes out, we should reset the total iPhone sales count to zero, right? Okay.

The iPhone's already had two major models (more if you count memory amount or color as a submodel), and yet people continue to lump their sales together as if it were one item.

Just because Apple only sells one model at a time, and only changes once a year, doesn't mean that all the HTC models (for example) shouldn't count together. They certainly have a common custom UI theme. The only difference is that they offer people a choice of screen size, keyboards, etc. Wish Apple would too.
 
http://www.phonenews.com/sprint-sets-two-launch-dates-for-palm-pre-employee-training-underway-7580/

"According to internal memos circulating within Sprint Retail Stores, Sprint has implemented a vacation freeze during the month of May for all front-end employees and has begun the process of employee training with the Palm Pre in preparation for one of two launch windows.

The first window involves Sprint receiving retail units of the Pre around late April to early May in preparation for a preliminary May 17th launch.

The second window involves Sprint receiving the same units in the aforementioned timeframe, but depending on the unit level received for stocking and sales, the launch would then be postponed to June 29th if the initial shipments are deemed too low to begin initial sales in May.

At that point the June 29th date will be set for launch after Sprint receives enough of the devices to fulfill expected demand.

Employees had also noted that Sprint does not typically institute vacation/paid time off freezes in May, lending credence to the rumors of a late April-mid May launch while also falling inline with the oft-repeated first-half 2009 launch window first confirmed at CES."
 
Lol.
Employees can't take off because a phone that nobody aside from a couple of tech nerds even knows about is coming out that month. The success of the Pre (assuming it's moderately successful) will not come close to that of the iPhone in the mainstream. The only people lining up for a Pre at launch are going to be old Palm dedicated users. I just don't see store traffic increasing that significantly because of this phone...
 
Background processes only seem to cause Apple problems. Their figure of reducing the battery life by 80% by just running an IM app and not sending/receiving is utter pony! I've had smartphones running Series 60, WinMob and UIQ for years and I've never experienced anything as severe as this. In fact on my N95 I could happily have Fring open all day, along with about a further 3/4 apps and the battery would still last the whole day easily.

The truth is more likely that the iPhone's resourse hungry OS is the problem when it comes to the battery life.

+1. I use IM, couple of Java apps running in background for several hours and Sony Ericsson W910 lasts easily for couple of days. The screen is not bad on it either at 2.4" for it's tiny battery size.
 
Lol.
Employees can't take off because a phone that nobody aside from a couple of tech nerds even knows about is coming out that month. The success of the Pre (assuming it's moderately successful) will not come close to that of the iPhone in the mainstream. The only people lining up for a Pre at launch are going to be old Palm dedicated users. I just don't see store traffic increasing that significantly because of this phone...

Not everything any company does has to be relative to the iPhone. They are expecting more traffic than usual, so they want to have more workers on hand. For all we know the launch could include training for customers.
 
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