Ridiculous resell value on '17 MBPs?

[Painter2002]

Dragon wrote:
"If the serial checker shows it as confirmed date of purchase, then there's no problem with warranty service, whoever has the laptop in posession."

Yes, that makes sense.

But I'm waiting to see the first report from a "second owner" who has had a free keyboard replacement under Apple's extended warranty program.

Is there anyone reading this who qualifies?

It won't matter, so long as the device is registered to the current user's email, it will be covered by the repair program from the date it was initially sold. I say this from experience on other product repairs I have had completed.

There is no reason Apple has to deny repairs simply because it changed owner. I've never once had Apple ask if I was the original owner when getting a repair done.
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[sarcasm]Absolutely not. It's a scam from Apple all the way. Way to go Tim.[/sarcasm]


Seriously - quite possibly the most ridiculous thread I've seen recently.

More seriously - I except that Apple will come out with a MacBook subscription program at some point, so you pay $x every year and every year they take your old MBPro and replace it with a newer one.

I don't think they will do a subscription program on the MacBook Pros. On the 12" MacBooks maybe, but not MacBook Pros, as there are too many expensive upgrades you can get on the MacBook Pros and a subscription model would not be profitable to Apple, unless they charged upwards of $100 a month.

If they ever do go to a subscription model with no option to buy, count me out. I am so tired of everything going to a stinkin subscription model. Many people don't realize how much more expensive it can be over the years. Its like a car lease, if you are buying a new car every few years, then a lease is more feasible, but if you are someone who buys a car and keeps it for 6+ years its a terrible financial move.

 

[Howard2k]

If they ever do go to a subscription model with no option to buy, count me out. I am so tired of everything going to a stinkin subscription model. Many people don't realize how much more expensive it can be over the years. Its like a car lease, if you are buying a new car every few years, then a lease is more feasible, but if you are someone who buys a car and keeps it for 6+ years its a terrible financial move.

Agreed. I don't think Apple will move to a subscription ONLY model, just that it will be an option. I am not a fan of subscription services either.

 

[StellarVixen]

Agreed. I don't think Apple will move to a subscription ONLY model, just that it will be an option. I am not a fan of subscription services either.

Right? I saw the Ulysses on the App Store, said to myself “this is what I need in my life”, and went straight for download.

Download finished, I opened it, saw the dialogue window, where you choose subscription plan.

All that I wanted to do at that moment was to go in the corner, curl up in fetal position and cry.

I do not like where this is going, I do not like it a single bit... When and why did everyone turn this greedy?

 

[Howard2k]

Right? I saw the Ulysses on the App Store, said to myself “this is what I need in my life”, and went straight for download.

Download finished, I opened it, saw the dialogue window, where you choose subscription plan.

All that I wanted to do at that moment was to go in the corner, curl up in fetal position and cry.

I do not like where this is going, I do not like it a single bit... When and why did everyone turn this greedy?

Ugh. Ditto Adobe. No thanks.

 

[Newtons Apple]

I do not think it is just a keyboard problem but a combination of that plus many are selling their 2016-2017 MBPro to go to the 2018. I am sure the keyboard issue had a bit of effect but not everyone visits here and some may have not even heard about the 2016-2017 MBPro problems.

 

[Painter2002]

I do not think it is just a keyboard problem but a combination of that plus many are selling their 2016-2017 MBPro to go to the 2018. I am sure the keyboard issue had a bit of effect but not everyone visits here and some may have not even heard about the 2016-2017 MBPro problems.

This is a very good point here. Classic economics, there are too many of the 2016/17 MBPs on the market since many users are upgrading to the 2018 since it has the CPU power people have been waiting on. If there are too many for sale on the market, people start lowering their prices just to get some sort of sale, and that drives down the resale prices in general.

 

[Smeaton1724]

Regarding Macbook Pro's, the leap from dual core to quad core and quad to hexa will hurt resale as the spec bump is huge this year. Although I also think the cost of the machines from the get go, especially in the UK.

It used to be that the base models of new machines started at £1100-1500 and the choice was to either buy new or pick up a better overall spec last years model second hand, base models were £800 on the used market for the 13 and a 15 could be had for £1000. The choice for around a decade had been ''Do I buy a new 13 or go 15 second hand'' or those who wanted new Air's at £1000, ''Do I go for A new Air or buy a second hand 13 Pro''. Now the Pro's start at £1749 for the 13'' and £2349 for the 15'', the people selling can't just get the difference so £1200-1800 used, those looking at second hand want value, they won't absorb the increase in RRP, so it hurts the person who bought at full retail the most.

Combine all of the above with Apple stating the iPad is a computer replacement (whether it is or not is a talking point) but people are looking at iPads and seeing £349 with pencil support with all of these apps, or £769 for a 12.9 Pro with great specs and gravitating away from traditional OS's too, so there's also a shrinking market.

 

[frou]

It used to be that the base models of new machines started at £1100-1500 and the choice was to either buy new or pick up a better overall spec last years model second hand, base models were £800 on the used market for the 13 and a 15 could be had for £1000. The choice for around a decade had been ''Do I buy a new 13 or go 15 second hand'' or those who wanted new Air's at £1000, ''Do I go for A new Air or buy a second hand 13 Pro''.

Just picked up a completely maxed out Mid-2015 rMBP 15" (4980HQ / 16GB / 1TB / dGPU) for the same as a bog-spec 12" MacBook costs new.

The pricing of Macs in recent times is ludicrous. Tim's profit margins must be epic.

 

[AppleHaterLover]

You paid $ 2399 for a laptop, and used it. It is now a used machine.

Apple sells it refurbished for $1909, which for all intents and purposes is new, so anything you’d fetch would be below that. Has been the case for the past MANY years.

Would you really consider buying that used Mac (which was used for unknown purposes and has an unknown past) unless it were AT LEAST $250-300 off that refurbished (i.e. new)? I know I wouldn’t. I’d pay $300 more to have it brand new in a box - my box.

As with probably everything, depreciation hits harder in the first year and eases off.

In your case, you were off the market for some time (or sold a Mac after some years after its price was more or less settled) and reality kicked in. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Smeaton1724]

Just picked up a completely maxed out Mid-2015 rMBP 15" (4980HQ / 16GB / 1TB / dGPU) for the same as a bog-spec 12" MacBook costs new.

The pricing of Macs in recent times is ludicrous. Tim's profit margins must be epic.

Sounds great - Where are you based and where did you pick that deal up?!

 

[macjunk(ie)]

...... When and why did everyone turn this greedy?

Developers need to eat too Costs are increasing across the board and the old way of selling software cannot keep up with the increasing costs. While I hate the subscription model as well, I absolutely love Setapp. It basically bundles a whole bunch of apps (including Ulysses) for a fixed subscription price. I think it is totally worth it (coming from someone who hates the subscription model).

If not Ulysses, there are other apps you could try: BoostNotes, Typora etc.

 

[StellarVixen]

Developers need to eat too Costs are increasing across the board and the old way of selling software cannot keep up with the increasing costs. While I hate the subscription model as well, I absolutely love Setapp. It basically bundles a whole bunch of apps (including Ulysses) for a fixed subscription price. I think it is totally worth it (coming from someone who hates the subscription model).

If not Ulysses, there are other apps you could try: BoostNotes, Typora etc.

Developers were eating just fine before subscription model.

This is something else.

 

[AppleHaterLover]

Developers were eating just fine before subscription model.

This is something else.

Breaking: businesses try to generate profits. News at 6

 

[StellarVixen]

Breaking: businesses try to generate profits. News at 6

Now, this is actually calling things by their proper name.

No one is gonna die of hunger if subscription model was cancelled, but the angle at which profits trend line is ascending will be much narrower.


Edit: I apologize to everyone for derailing this thread. I won't anymore, I promise.

 

[Queen6]

Now, this is actually calling things by their proper name.

No one is gonna die of hunger if subscription model was cancelled, but the angle at which profits trend line is ascending will be much lower.

I avoid subscription models wherever possible. Sell a decent product and update it meaningfully, you'll make your money.

Antagonise your user base, and eventually they will replace your product...

Q-6

 

[mdnz]

Now, this is actually calling things by their proper name.

No one is gonna die of hunger if subscription model was cancelled, but the angle at which profits trend line is ascending will be much narrower.

Actually the market has shifted quite much. Putting an app on the iOS App store, you can't really charge $50 for it. Many people expect it to be free or for like a dollar. Developers can't survive like that, it's not that they'd like subscription models but the market has forced them to. You could ask around in your family about the last time they paid $50 for a piece of software and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Source: I'm a developer myself and I've seen the market shift towards this.

 

[Smeaton1724]

Actually the market has shifted quite much. Putting an app on the iOS App store, you can't really charge $50 for it. Many people expect it to be free or for like a dollar. Developers can't survive like that, it's not that they'd like subscription models but the market has forced them to. You could ask around in your family about the last time they paid $50 for a piece of software and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Source: I'm a developer myself and I've seen the market shift towards this.

Talking about software subscriptions, it lowers the barrier to entry, so I always expected it to take off - even if the total cost of ownership may be higher over a prolonged period of time. It is going that way with hardware - look at iPhone's, people in the main have them on monthly payment plans with annual upgrade to the latest device. Apple encourages it and the numbers look good for everyone. Microsoft just this week is doing a hardware/software bundle subscription for Xbox (Console plus Live service), NVidia doing it with graphics for cloud gaming etc.

I'm not particularly against subscription for software or hardware, both are depreciating assets and will need upgrading anyway (software upgrades and faster hardware) so as long as the subs aren't too tying (like gym memberships!) then it's an option that opens the market up to a larger audience for the product. As soon as the sub model is implemented it affects resale of the old, but that's not unexpected.

 

[frou]

An argument in favour of monthly subscription software is that incentivises the developer to release a new feature as soon as it is ready, instead of having to stockpile them into a batch to make an eventual new major version of the app seem "worth upgrading for".

Sounds great - Where are you based and where did you pick that deal up?!

eBay prowling of course UK

 

[tomscott1988]

Dragon wrote:
"If the serial checker shows it as confirmed date of purchase, then there's no problem with warranty service, whoever has the laptop in posession."

Yes, that makes sense.

But I'm waiting to see the first report from a "second owner" who has had a free keyboard replacement under Apple's extended warranty program.

Is there anyone reading this who qualifies?

I bought a second hand 2015 macbook with Apple care. Doesnt matter just the serial number. I had two replacement screens in the time ive owned it... no need to have any information at all. No keyboard issues tho in the 2 1/2 years. Again i dont think you need to justify anything if the machine fits under the program there's nothing more to do.

 

[Wags]

I'm aware of the "4-year-replacement" program for the keyboards, but I'm wondering how a "second owner" in a "private party sale" would present this to an Apple Store for "warranty" replacement?
How will Apple ascertain the "date first purchased/registered for use?"

Apple captures the first set up and original Apple ID. The original Apple ID never leaves the machine with Apple.

 

[smbu2000]

Dragon wrote:
"If the serial checker shows it as confirmed date of purchase, then there's no problem with warranty service, whoever has the laptop in posession."

Yes, that makes sense.

But I'm waiting to see the first report from a "second owner" who has had a free keyboard replacement under Apple's extended warranty program.

Is there anyone reading this who qualifies?

I took in a 2017 15" that I picked up used recently for a good price (improvement over my 2016 15"). After awhile had a problem with one of the keys. They took it and sent it off to have the topcase replaced. I wasn't the original owner, but there was no problem and it was shipped to my home address after being repaired.