Time for Apple to catch up again. I had the iPhone 5, but got rid of it after using the Note II. Looks like BlackBerry and Samsung are ahead now.
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RIM Launches Next-Generation BlackBerry Z10, Announces Corporate Rebranding
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I think a point to note is that QNX phones were supposed to be released early in 2012 - it was thus delayed for 1 year. If this was not delayed for so long your comments would definitely have merit. However, having had all this extra time I was hoping for more.
Let's see when this gets into the hands of users in Canada and the UK tomorrow and in the US next month or early March and subsequent reports.
Then we will see how well it has turned out. As I said in a previous post I was very enthusiastic about WP8 and the Nokia Lumia 920 and the HTC Windows Phone 8X. I then visited Windows Phone Central forums for a few months on a daily basis. I became disheartened, both in the software and the hardware - battery issues, Phones bricking and unable to be revived despite various tips being posted which worked for some, Wifi issues, etc etc.
I'm attracted to hardware first and I think this looks very nice.
From the front it looks like an upside-down Zune HD with a little iPhone thrown in. The back reminds me of the Nexus devices. In all, nice and clean design and way more classy than the SIII. I'd like it to be a bit thinner though.
I don't know about the OS, but looks functional enough. Still, I see nothing that'll challenge the big 2..
From the front it looks like an upside-down Zune HD with a little iPhone thrown in. The back reminds me of the Nexus devices. In all, nice and clean design and way more classy than the SIII. I'd like it to be a bit thinner though.
I don't know about the OS, but looks functional enough. Still, I see nothing that'll challenge the big 2..
Yeah, using a gesture rather than home button is certainly "glitter".
Seriously, if Apple removed the home button and replaced it with a swipe and called it a "feature" this forum alone would be calling Apple's idea of a new feature, CRAP. But if another manufacturer does it, it's called "innovation".
Oh Please Louise! Prior to the launch of the Z10 today, there were a few threads where members felt that physical home buttons in general were getting old fashioned. The problem is software home buttons are even more lousy. Rim got it right with a swipe instead of a press. Once you learn the gestures to navigate its just a better solution than what we have now.
If Apple had released this first and got rid of the physical home button--I shouldn't need to tell you about all the people who would be raving about how awesome it is.
That being said, I'm not running out and replacing my iPhone 5 with a Z10. In many other respects, iOS is still better--just no glitter.
Waiting for the keyboard version first and then decide. The presentation was horrible. They were too focused on the unimportant stuff.
The biggest point for me is still the BB mail service and not the device. Apple can't match this.
The biggest point for me is still the BB mail service and not the device. Apple can't match this.
lovely, a big plastic smart phone with a weird os, no app community, or ecosystem.
and the stock doubled from lows on rumors this was going to unhinge iphone and the androids, as if they ever had a chance, same story for nokia.
these are the phones uninformed people buy on impulse at the phone store, try so hard to like, but ultimately regret.
and the stock doubled from lows on rumors this was going to unhinge iphone and the androids, as if they ever had a chance, same story for nokia.
these are the phones uninformed people buy on impulse at the phone store, try so hard to like, but ultimately regret.
They're not competing with iOS 1.0 or Android 1.0. They're competing with iOS 6.1 and Android 4.2. The bar has moved up a little in 6 years.
I'm not sure what all the hate is on MR regarding the RIM announcement.
1)Blackberries are 95% owned by business people...NOT consumers. Therefore, there is no competition to Apple.
2)iPhones are 80% owned by consumers...NOT businesses. Sure, there are some companies that actually hand out/support iPhones, but the majority of businesses using smartphones are on Blackberry. Sure, the BB has not been very sexy over the past 2-3 years...but from a business point of view and use case (um you are supposed to be using it for business...not Youtube or Angry Birds etc), the BB line will probably flourish now that the BB is getting a makeover and really supporting touchscreen (their previous lines for years have supported touch screen...just not a lot of business justification for MORE touchscreen use/features 3 years ago).
3)Ecosystem complaints...um...again, it's work. BB users are using their phones for actual phone calls as well as email/calendaring which is rock solid in the BB world of business use. I really don't think anyone that owns a BB cares about not having 900,000 apps. Again, if you look at iPhone and it's target market (consumers), a very high percentage of the iPhone apps are non-business. Therefore, with BB being aimed at business users, a very high majority of the apps will be business apps...not alligator games.
Overall there is just no competition between the iPhone and BB...might as well chime in the people who still think Apple and Microsoft are competitors. If Apple ever alters the iPhone (security, pricing, integration, etc.) for businesses, sure...but Apple likely will never aim the iPhone at businesses.
1)Blackberries are 95% owned by business people...NOT consumers. Therefore, there is no competition to Apple.
2)iPhones are 80% owned by consumers...NOT businesses. Sure, there are some companies that actually hand out/support iPhones, but the majority of businesses using smartphones are on Blackberry. Sure, the BB has not been very sexy over the past 2-3 years...but from a business point of view and use case (um you are supposed to be using it for business...not Youtube or Angry Birds etc), the BB line will probably flourish now that the BB is getting a makeover and really supporting touchscreen (their previous lines for years have supported touch screen...just not a lot of business justification for MORE touchscreen use/features 3 years ago).
3)Ecosystem complaints...um...again, it's work. BB users are using their phones for actual phone calls as well as email/calendaring which is rock solid in the BB world of business use. I really don't think anyone that owns a BB cares about not having 900,000 apps. Again, if you look at iPhone and it's target market (consumers), a very high percentage of the iPhone apps are non-business. Therefore, with BB being aimed at business users, a very high majority of the apps will be business apps...not alligator games.
Overall there is just no competition between the iPhone and BB...might as well chime in the people who still think Apple and Microsoft are competitors. If Apple ever alters the iPhone (security, pricing, integration, etc.) for businesses, sure...but Apple likely will never aim the iPhone at businesses.
lol the samsung galaxy III and the iphone 5 arent cheap phones either and blackberry isnt in the market to sell "cheap" phones
It IS a complete re-write. And while it's not perfect it truly multi-tasks, better virtual keyboard and nice gesturing and integration.
iOS could learn a lot from this. I wish Apple was a bit less arrogant and more creatively interested in iOS.
Hate to see the grandfather of smartphones die, but this is DOA. Might get some traction outside of the USA where BBM is still used a lot, but it was game over for them a long time ago. They let themselves slide until they crashed and burned. Now it's too little too late.
Nontheless, I'd like to get my hands on one just to see what took them so damn long! There has to be something worth seeing
Nontheless, I'd like to get my hands on one just to see what took them so damn long! There has to be something worth seeing
Fair point. However, does Blackberry have the resources to catch up or surpass the current leaders? When the iPhone came out, it didn't have competitors.
Exactly! Been saying that for a few years, but not as well. Thank you.
Most people on these forums do not represent the "average user." The average user doesn't upgrade their phone (tab, computer, etc) every year. The average user doesn't piss and moan about what features competing products have versus their own. The average user doesn't say to his friend "My iPhone is better than your POS Android because..." or vice versa.
Looks pretty good to me, and much much better than I expected. I actually think it might succeed, I know a LOT of people who are committed BB users and have been waiting for something that is roughly equivalent to iPhone/Android and this isn't far off. Plus, do not underestimate the volume of business's that issue Blackberry's as work phones. Entirely anecdotal, but in the UK I don't know anyone with a work issued iPhone, but BB's are everywhere.
Good luck to 'em I say.
I also wholeheartedly agree with this. Here and other forums are populated by phone hobbyists, while the indescribably vast majority get something they like, stick with it, and barely notice whether it receives an update before their contract is up. Change for the sake of change is definitely peculiar to forum goers and hobbyists, the masses baulk at unnecessary upheaval.
Good luck to 'em I say.
I also wholeheartedly agree with this. Here and other forums are populated by phone hobbyists, while the indescribably vast majority get something they like, stick with it, and barely notice whether it receives an update before their contract is up. Change for the sake of change is definitely peculiar to forum goers and hobbyists, the masses baulk at unnecessary upheaval.
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Too little too late
If BB is trying to cater to businesses still, they are doing a terrible job. Current BES servers will NOT support the new BB 10 OS. Either businesses will need to replace ALL their devices at once, or run two servers until everyone is running BB OS 10. Why go through all that trouble when it is easier to move to iOS, Android or WP 8? I think that is where 'Blackberry' really shot themselves in the foot, at least in terms of trying to mount a comeback.
If BB is trying to cater to businesses still, they are doing a terrible job. Current BES servers will NOT support the new BB 10 OS. Either businesses will need to replace ALL their devices at once, or run two servers until everyone is running BB OS 10. Why go through all that trouble when it is easier to move to iOS, Android or WP 8? I think that is where 'Blackberry' really shot themselves in the foot, at least in terms of trying to mount a comeback.