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RIM's BlackBerry vs iPhone's ActiveSync

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The RIM sytstem needs more redundancy in order to address the issue of system wide outages. I wodehow difficult it would be for them to do so.
 
reden said:
Yeah... Since it didn't work out too well with the iPhone against companies like Palm right? lol.
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Palm has been circling the drain for years. They self-destructed long ago with no help from Apple, so let's not get carried away giving credit where it isn't due.
 
Echelon ?

For your information, Blackberries are totally forbiden in the French governement agencies and in most of the French defense/aerospace companies (like Airbus and many others).

The reason is that French intelligence thinks all BB messages go through the Echelon system in Canada (probably at the NOC). Of course it will be impossible to verify...
 
I love Apple's stuff, but Steve has a tendency to view anything not created by Apple as trash. It's not that black and white ... nothing is!
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Just remembering that Active Sync actually do support encryption, so I dont see why apple would not suport that on their implementation.
 
It'll be interesting to see how well this works in practice. We tried Blackberries at work and abandoned them due to poor reliability and slow service. We're currently using iMates and will likely continue to for the foreseeable future, but they too talk to Exchange directly (I think) and are certainly faster than the Blackberries. I would therefore assume that iPhones would be faster too :)
 
Techguy172 said:
They're still not going to beat RIM it just won't happen RIM has something up their sleeve.
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The Blackberry is already disappearing from the corporate world. Everyday I see more and more iPhones appearing in the workplace. People are buying them on their own and then handing in their Blackberries. RIMM will be deader than Palm in two years. I wouldn't be surprised if Verizon buys them.
 
ChrisA said:
Seems pointless to even think about these issues with a cell phone. What could be less secure than a wireless phone? Anyone with some low cost equipment can listen in to your conversations and can read the data going to/from the phone. Not only that but they can know where you are. Unless you implement end-point to end-point encryption anyone can listen in.

What deference does it make if the message is routed to an NOC if itis transmitted in the clear to begin with.
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If you are refering to the voice conversation you are correct and in some cases web browsing.

But if you are refering to the emails, the answer is they are encrypted from your company to the device and back. However if you cc someone that is not in your company, the message is still going to go to your company exchange server via an encrypted chanel and a message to the cc recipient is going to go in the clear to that individual because the company can not encrypt it as the individual does not have a relationship with the company and a Blackberry.

Depends on what you do with your device.

You can set the Blackberry to use your company web proxy and connect via a secured channel back to the company. The web-proxy will take all your requests, send them to the net, (maybe make a log entry), get back the results (make a log entry), and send them back to your Blackberry in the encrypted channel. That way your company gets to keep taps on what you are doing over the web. Yes your device can be locked to work this way so you can not browse without the company having a record.

I did a major risk assessment on the Blackberry so I have an idea how secured it is and were the weaknesses are.
 
sky131 said:
Does this lead to any speculation of better integration of Apple applications with Exchange Server on the desktop?

Right now running Leopard in a Exchange Server business world is not ideal in the least...
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That is my hope, but I doubt we'd see it anytime soon. I am dying to get rid of Entourage.
 
MhzDoesMatter said:
While I do think the Iphone leapfrogged RIM with ActiveSync, maybe Steve should keep the hyperbole down a bit just until the update is, I don't know, actually released and proven.
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What I find interesting about this whole thread is how everyone ascribes all that was said at the event to "Steve Jobs."

A lot of the things people are pointing to were actually announced by others at the conference, even though they used the same language that Steve would have used. Phil Schiller's part in particular was in exactly the same style (minus the "booms"), as a "SteveNote." If you were reading a transcript, you would never know it wasn't Steve.

This could mean that every word Phil spoke actually was written by the Steve Jobs, but a more rational conclusion is that the copy is written and agreed upon in committee.

IMO we should probably stop attributing every single detail of every Apple product announcement to Steve Jobs the person (regardless of whether it is he on stage), and attribute it where it belongs, to Apple the corporation.
 
So people are criticizing RIM for known errors and assuming that Apple's untested system will be just fine.

Not clever.
 
Derekasaurus said:
Palm has been circling the drain for years. They self-destructed long ago with no help from Apple, so let's not get carried away giving credit where it isn't due.
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While that may be true, Palm never gave much respect regarding Apples first attempt at entering the "smartphone" market. Remember when Palm's CEO said, "We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone," Ed Colligan apparently laughed about with John Markoff last Thursday morning. "PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in." "

One of many links regarding his quote...

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/21/palms-ed-colligan-laughs-off-iphone/


Meanwhile...

"Even though Palm's Ed Colligan may not like it, Apple did go and "just walk in" to the mobile phone space when it announced the iPhone last month: fortunately for consumers, the company is starting to change its attitude towards the "Mac guys," thanks in part to the innovative software that makes up a significant proportion of the iPhone's appeal."

Palm hires ex-Apple designer, puts iPhone in its sights

link... http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/09/palm-hires-ex-apple-designer-puts-iphone-in-its-sights/
 
Steve 'Spin Doctor' Jobs.

Every time he hosts a press release, I have another reason to hate on him. My first annoyance with him was his 'battery life' claims on ipods, then came his bashing on the rio karma for having a small screen and soon after releasing the ipod shuffle with NO screen. Lately, his lies about mac pros being expandable have been the most exaggerated and falsely claimed as he has done next to nothing about the Geforce 8800 GT being available for 'older' mac pros, when in fact there is no reason for them not to work.
 
ungraphic said:
Steve 'Spin Doctor' Jobs.

Every time he hosts a press release, I have another reason to hate on him. My first annoyance with him was his 'battery life' claims on ipods, then came his bashing on the rio karma for having a small screen and soon after releasing the ipod shuffle with NO screen. Lately, his lies about mac pros being expandable have been the most exaggerated and falsely claimed as he has done next to nothing about the Geforce 8800 GT being available for 'older' mac pros, when in fact there is no reason for them not to work.
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Yes, Steve Jobs personally writes every press release. Also, the Mac Pro is plenty expandable. It just doesn't have a lot of graphics card options. It has plenty of other expandability options. I think your focus might be a bit myopic on that point. :rolleyes:
 
notjustjay said:
FUD, FUD, FUD.

I hate that he portrays us Canadians as a huge security risk to you Americans. Yeah, play on the fears of the ignorant American who thinks anyone on foreign soil must be the bad guy.
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to me, the security threat is not you canadians, it is my own stupid president who will use the fact that RIM goes from US - forgeign country - US as open waters for snooping in on emails. with apple's system it sounds like everything originating from within the u.s. stays within the u.s. and theoretically at least, he'd need a warrent to see what i was emailing my wife for what i need to pick up at the grocery store on my way home from work.
 
Anyone that has a Blackberry that's worked non-stop for the past few months raise your hands .. Oh that's right they've had at least 2 major outages in the past three weeks.

How many of you have had to install, license and manage a BES server to keep your crackberries running? Having a mobile device that talks to your network directly without the need of any additional servers is priceless. Do you have any idea how much it costs just for a license to connect one Blackberry to Exchange?
 
My Schwarz is bigger than yours!

Let the smackdown begin. Raw is war!

Of course, if there were no controversy, these forums would not be nearly as entertaining. :)
 
sky131 said:
Does this lead to any speculation of better integration of Apple applications with Exchange Server on the desktop?

Right now running Leopard in a Exchange Server business world is not ideal in the least...
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Nope, as Active Sync is for Mobiles only.

Object-X said:
Which version(s) of Exchange will support this?
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Exchange 2003+ supports it.

dlastmango said:
Will push email, contacts, calendar etc... be available to average consumers? Or does the phone have to be connected to an Exchange server?


Chris
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Unless Apple changes the applications I don't know how well that would work. MS Exchange works because it is all in one, and they use MAPI for it. That was the major irritation of using IMAP. IMAP is only good for email, it doesn't include Calendar info and Contact info (AFAIK). So as of right now I would think it would only work with Exchange Servers.
Small White Car said:
All they've told us is about the Exchange stuff.

I sure hope that they manage to get some of these features into .Mac or other services, but thus far they're not saying. Doesn't mean they're not going to...just that we don't know.
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They could do something similar to it, but each application would have to be changed to get those updates, this is different than how MS Exchange does it.
 
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