Yah I dunno. I'm a huge apple fan boy, but this feels a bit off. In the big corporate worlds the exchange servers sit behind intense VPN's and most of the VPN's use proprietary solutions not just a regular VPN. So setting up tokens among other things would be a nightmare. It sounds simple to just use the corporate servers, but in reality it's not so simple...
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RIM's BlackBerry vs iPhone's ActiveSync
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Yah I dunno. I'm a huge apple fan boy, but this feels a bit off. In the big corporate worlds the exchange servers sit behind intense VPN's and most of the VPN's use proprietary solutions not just a regular VPN. So setting up tokens among other things would be a nightmare. It sounds simple to just use the corporate servers, but in reality it's not so simple...
Just an aside, if you don't have Certificate based authentication enabled your username and password are sent cleartext. And according to MS to install the certificate the device as to be synced with the Desktop Active Sync software. Here is the first technet article that talks about how to set up authentication, and here is the second article that talks about security.
I think the point is being missed here. The issue with Exchange and supporting RIM devices is that in order to support RIM devices with exchange, I need to buy and manage a Blackberry Enterprise Server to connect to my Exchange server.
Why? That's a complete waste. Of both time and money.
We don't support Exchange on Blackberry's for just this reason. You can bet we're going to support Exchange on the iPhone though! It's a cheaper implementation (and easier to manage).
As has been pointed out, the SMS that the device uses is different and doesn't count against your SMS count. Also, there is a new version of this called DirectPush that doesn't use this method - it requires Exchange 2007 and is what Apple is using.
At bit over the top, don't you think? I really don't think SJ's intent was to stir up feeble minded American angst toward Canadiens. If anyone has a problem, it's not SJ, it's you.
Apple is implementing DirectPush- not any system that uses SMS.
It is supported on Exchange 2003 w/ latest service pack as well as Exchange 2007.
Blame Canada!
If I had to make a list of Countries in the World that the US would be worried about, Canada doesn't make the top 500.
Cmon, Canada, you can't be serious?
If I had to make a list of Countries in the World that the US would be worried about, Canada doesn't make the top 500.
Cmon, Canada, you can't be serious?
*Bolding mine.
Unless something has changed with Exchange 2007 there is no easy way to find all users that have the mobile support active. BES server is very nice in that regards, you can control all your mobile users from one location.
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Wow, way to miss the point.
And believe me, no one is afraid of Canada; least of all Americans.
That would indeed be a nice feature, but for SMB's that have a handful of mobile users, it's not that big of an issue. I know all of my mobile user's names by heart.
So, I don't really need it. Again, in the SMB-space, investing in and managing yet another server (Blackberry Enterprise) for a small set of users, just doesn't make sense when another option (Exchange w/ActiveSync) is free (meaning it's included w/Exchange).
If I had to make a list of Countries in the World that the US would be worried about, Canada doesn't make the top 500.
Cmon, Canada, you can't be serious?
haha I hope that other Canadians can take that in stride as well
But really, at no point did I take what SJ said as an attack on Canada. If RIM's NOC was in NY (that was a lot of caps...) it would be the same, I assumed he was just talking about the risk of everything traveling through one central point.AMEN!
Living in canada, and loving apple products can be hard at times.
Antarctica and Greenland will get the iphone before Canada... the US's closest neighbor...
I am working as an Exchange Technology Specialist and I very often have to deal with Blackberry and Exchange Active Sync. I can say that the majority of our customers implement a Blackberry solution. The main reason for that is the devices available. Up until now Windows Mobile Devices that support Exchange Active Sync are clumsy to say the least...
Another reason for the success of Blackberry among many organisations is that the infrastructure needed to support such a solution is mostly limited to just one server!
As far as the security concerns that Steve Jobs expressed, I have to say that he is right but for the wrong reason!!! Blackberry needs special permissions on the Exchange Mailboxes that are activated for the Blackberry services. This imposes a security issue that many companies do not like. On the other hand, companies do not like the idea of Exchange Active Sync because they have to deal with publishing Exchange Servers on the internet, something that most security teams in big organisations do not like...This plus the lack of great devices has led to the Blackberry dominance.
As an Exchange Expert, I do believe that Exchange Active Sync is definitely better than the Blackberry technology. Blackberry can cause lots of problems on an Exchange infrastructure, by creating many more RPC operations pro second, only to support push email. Exchange Active Sync is an integrated solution that I believe will find many more supporters, as great devices come that support it...
Exchange Active Sync is not something new, it first appeared with Exchange 2000
I believe that the iPhone will be a major hit in the Enterprise and will make many organisations start supporting Exchange Active Sync. I can already see many company VIPs demanding the support of the iPhone...))
Another reason for the success of Blackberry among many organisations is that the infrastructure needed to support such a solution is mostly limited to just one server!
As far as the security concerns that Steve Jobs expressed, I have to say that he is right but for the wrong reason!!! Blackberry needs special permissions on the Exchange Mailboxes that are activated for the Blackberry services. This imposes a security issue that many companies do not like. On the other hand, companies do not like the idea of Exchange Active Sync because they have to deal with publishing Exchange Servers on the internet, something that most security teams in big organisations do not like...This plus the lack of great devices has led to the Blackberry dominance.
As an Exchange Expert, I do believe that Exchange Active Sync is definitely better than the Blackberry technology. Blackberry can cause lots of problems on an Exchange infrastructure, by creating many more RPC operations pro second, only to support push email. Exchange Active Sync is an integrated solution that I believe will find many more supporters, as great devices come that support it...
Exchange Active Sync is not something new, it first appeared with Exchange 2000
I believe that the iPhone will be a major hit in the Enterprise and will make many organisations start supporting Exchange Active Sync. I can already see many company VIPs demanding the support of the iPhone...
))
In Exchange 2007 you can use the Powershell to manage all your mobile users very easily. The Powershell is very powerfull and can also be used to automate tasks.
BES on Exchange 2007 is like the face-hugger from Alien that stuck itself onto John Hurts face. It sticks it's big nasty feed pipe down the throat of the Exchange Server and wraps it's nasty little tail round it's neck.
It's a friggin parasite - the sooner it's gone - the better.
Any IT department will get the glory of supporting the iPhone without the hassles of supporting BES.
No wonder they call it crackberry - that's what the server architecture engineers must have been smoking when they devised it.
It's a friggin parasite - the sooner it's gone - the better.
Any IT department will get the glory of supporting the iPhone without the hassles of supporting BES.
No wonder they call it crackberry - that's what the server architecture engineers must have been smoking when they devised it.
Ummm ... you do realize that "the company blackberries" still go through that unreliable Exchange server, right? Adding more boxes with their own reliability issues doesn't correct the fact that your Exchange box needs fixing.
Honestly, as a complete side note, can I get anyone, anyone at all, to chime in to confirm that it is possible to have an Exchange server which runs predictably and reliably? I have yet to see one. For instance, I get to work today and find that about half of my calendar appointments have been shifted by an hour, presumably due to daylight saving time. It amazes me how many billions of dollars Microsoft has made on this monstrosity!
So: did the .zip attachments and google.com links get through to your Blackberries? If so, you've got a major security hole in your setup (and if you regard it as a "feature" there's no reason why the same "feature" of bypassing your filters wouldn't be adopted for active syncers).
That's a function of a pedantic and smothering IT policy. Which is relatively common, but doesn't disprove the facts presented. People want iPhones. Very few people drool over Blackberries in the same way. My wife has a Pearl, which she likes, but which is seriously getting on her nerves now three weeks after getting it. Too many stupid limitations and clunky not-working bits. For some, the attraction to the iPhone is enough to not worry about being shunned by their IT staff. That is the whole point!
Wow! Sucks to be working at your company. At my company we get a small but not negligible discount on all Apple hardware, including iPhones. Plus, the company pays for the phone, not the employee, so as long as it's inside the same price band there's no reason to get a BB instead of an iPhone.
Spoken like a true IT nazi! I bet your entire serfdom loves you!
Exchange has been very stable the last years and with every release it gets better and better. The most problems are being caused by Admins that don't have a clue how to support an Exchange environment.
Exchange Server has become the leading Mail Server in the enterprise because of its unique combination of features, and especially because of Outlook...
The latest 2007 release is even better and makes Lotus Notes seem a bad joke (in the messaging department - if its about Applications, then it's a different story)
Exchange Server has become the leading Mail Server in the enterprise because of its unique combination of features, and especially because of Outlook...
The latest 2007 release is even better and makes Lotus Notes seem a bad joke (in the messaging department - if its about Applications, then it's a different story)
Somewhat related but does the adoption of Exchange compatibility on the iPhone potentially mean that Mail and iCal on the Mac may soon do the same?
Strange that I have heard no speculation on this. Anything to rid myself of the quite awful Entourage would be wonderful.
Strange that I have heard no speculation on this. Anything to rid myself of the quite awful Entourage would be wonderful.
I would love to see that happening but I don't believe that this is high on Apple's list of things to do...
Damn good question - I really hope so - that would be serious double plus cool tech
This argument reminds me of the current Hillary/Obama discourse.
That being said. "Bye, Bye Blackberry".
That being said. "Bye, Bye Blackberry".
God, it's amazing what the anti-Apple zealots here can get out of a quote. Arrogant? Rhetoric? Pompous? Give me a F$^%& break!
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Thanks, I always forget how ignent us Americans is.
Good thing we are though cause we just might stop protecting freedom and free people if we weren't.
Especially since we're hated so much.
Us Americans that is.
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Thanks, I always forget how ignent us Americans is.
Good thing we are though cause we just might stop protecting freedom and free people if we weren't.
Especially since we're hated so much.
Us Americans that is.
I would highly doubt it. Neither application has the capability to push data to another computer/device right now as they're meant to be consumer products and not for professionals on the go. Not only would you have to get program updates for software never meant to do that, but you'd have to find a way through your home firewall (you *do* have a home firewall, right??), etc.
No, I don't see that even as a remote possibility. The real question is if Apple's own servers and services (iCal server/.Mac) will get the same treatment as Exchange.
It seems by SJ's demo that an iPhone owner will have the ability to actively sync with his company's MS exchange server as well as his own personal email.
I don't remember that in my BB. It seemed that all I could get was my company's email. Am I remembering correctly?
I don't remember that in my BB. It seemed that all I could get was my company's email. Am I remembering correctly?