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Riots in the UK
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Interesting how different that synopsis is (and what it leaves out) from the actual video.
I think here in the UK we're all going to have a think about how we approach things in the future. A lots of things have failed here in the UK in the past few years. Peter Oborne has a good article in, strangely of all papers, the Telegraph.
Credit where it is due. While I like the Guardian, that is a very good and thought-provoking article, and is all the better indeed, for coming from the Telegraph. Thanks for posting it.
I agree the article at least tries to look at what's happening and possible reasons for it instead of the reactionary drivel packing most of the media.Good on the Torygraph and more power to the journos elbow.
This Peter Oborne character seems like the maverick right wing commentator we could do with more of:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/p...er-because-of-his-news-international-friends/
This Peter Oborne character seems like the maverick right wing commentator we could do with more of:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/p...er-because-of-his-news-international-friends/
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The Telegraph article is a good summation. Most people do not have the means to flaunt the law without repercussion the way that the rich and powerful routinely do.
I think you probably mean "flout" rather than "flaunt", but otherwise I agree absolutely.
I think you probably mean "flout" rather than "flaunt", but otherwise I agree absolutely.
I suppose I could argue that the rich and powerful both flaunt and flout authority, but that would be a cover-up.
Seven years of university education so far, but you wouldn't be able to tell based on my writing here...
From the 'Nick Clegg looking sad' blog:
Nick Clegg got told to mind a friends house while he was on holiday, but someone came and smashed all the windows and set the garage on fire and took the cat and now Nick is shaking in a corner while everyone else has to deal with it.
http://twitter.com/SadNickClegg
Nick Clegg got told to mind a friends house while he was on holiday, but someone came and smashed all the windows and set the garage on fire and took the cat and now Nick is shaking in a corner while everyone else has to deal with it.
http://twitter.com/SadNickClegg
Just as an add on if anybody identifies the house as the corner of Fawnbrake Avenue and Poplar Walk in SE2 I can assure you the people who live there are very nice and middle class and in no way connected to the scum from Brixton who no doubt dumped the packaging there in the hope of putting plod off the trail.
(thanks rdowns)
(thanks rdowns)
Just as an add on if anybody identifies the house as the corner of Fawnbrake Avenue and Poplar Walk in SE2 I can assure you the people who live there are very nice and middle class and in no way connected to the scum from Brixton who no doubt dumped the packaging there in the hope of putting plod off the trail.
(thanks rdowns)
your house, eh?
your house, eh?
For "middle class"???
Them's figntin' words for our resident Communist. 
While I think it's important to uncover any police wrongdoing and the wrongdoing of some of the rioters, I hope London gets to rebuilding and also trying to root out why the rioters were so mad in the first place.
If this is to be compared to the anger the young people had against Thatcher in the 1980s and the riots that happened then, and the liberal revolution that followed in reaction against her in the following decade, let's see what happened this time.
Just listening to Americans talk about what they see besides the mindless rioting is the hopelessness of the youth in this recession and direct finger pointing to the PM.
As what may happen in Philadelphia and other major American cities, a riot can happen in the states for some of the same reasons and Obama, Congress, and unemployment can be hot topic issues for a riot in the US.
There's all this talk about 2012 and all, whether it's from liberals or conservatives politics, and while a lot of the "big change" prophecies about everything in general are a bunch of hogwash, a lot of events will happen as a self-fulfilling prophecy. 2012 sounds like a great time for change, or actually right now through the next year socially, politically, and personally. At the very least, even people who don't believe in any major prophecies may add a little extra effort into doing what they are already as a reaction to 2012 and the hype. I am hoping for an end to the slow growth of the economy and for a substantial increase in the economy to happen next year. The Fed keeps interest rates low into 2013 believing 2012 will be more of the same sluggishness in the economy with little change from where we are now. Well, that's all ranting for another topic.
Before London is rebuilt where it was damaged, it's likely somebody in a high place in London will resign or get replaced. The press may blame England for a lot of things and how this set of riots was handled, but it's a lot better than how American riots are handled. A heavy handed police approach, as what usually happens in the states, often ends up with more problems. The riots basically burnt themselves out and in the long run, more businesses and lives stayed safe. I am glad the UK didn't bring in troops.
If this is to be compared to the anger the young people had against Thatcher in the 1980s and the riots that happened then, and the liberal revolution that followed in reaction against her in the following decade, let's see what happened this time.
Just listening to Americans talk about what they see besides the mindless rioting is the hopelessness of the youth in this recession and direct finger pointing to the PM.
As what may happen in Philadelphia and other major American cities, a riot can happen in the states for some of the same reasons and Obama, Congress, and unemployment can be hot topic issues for a riot in the US.
There's all this talk about 2012 and all, whether it's from liberals or conservatives politics, and while a lot of the "big change" prophecies about everything in general are a bunch of hogwash, a lot of events will happen as a self-fulfilling prophecy. 2012 sounds like a great time for change, or actually right now through the next year socially, politically, and personally. At the very least, even people who don't believe in any major prophecies may add a little extra effort into doing what they are already as a reaction to 2012 and the hype. I am hoping for an end to the slow growth of the economy and for a substantial increase in the economy to happen next year. The Fed keeps interest rates low into 2013 believing 2012 will be more of the same sluggishness in the economy with little change from where we are now. Well, that's all ranting for another topic.
Before London is rebuilt where it was damaged, it's likely somebody in a high place in London will resign or get replaced. The press may blame England for a lot of things and how this set of riots was handled, but it's a lot better than how American riots are handled. A heavy handed police approach, as what usually happens in the states, often ends up with more problems. The riots basically burnt themselves out and in the long run, more businesses and lives stayed safe. I am glad the UK didn't bring in troops.
Et tu, Brute?? Some of the rioters?? Please!!!
The rioters were, in the main, greedy bastards, thinking they could get away with mayhem as part of a large mob.
Whatever the case of who did what, I hope the authorities go on to capture as many as the perps as possible, no matter how long it takes. It was definitely awful to see so many take advantage of the situation.
Time will only tell though on whether the cops initially acted correctly in the shooting. The early reports I saw suggested that the person shot was an alleged gangster but had the US press had few details and never mentioned any crimes he may have been involved in.
That may be the case that the cops had good information and were correct in apprehending the suspcet, but when gangsters get shot in the US, I don't see a whole bunch of protesters outside of the police station. Something stinks here but that still does not excuse the actions of the rioters, but that's a separate set of crimes.
My hope is that the police can truly show they did not use excessive force and they were in the right and not just acting like state sanctioned thugs in uniforms. While most of the rioters went shopping, don't you think there was some legitimate outrage in London?
Riot cops over here have taken to wearing smart phones around their necks, to see/hear what they do.
Would something like this satisfy you, as to whether or not he pulled a gun, or discharged it??