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I love these guys informative videos :)

I don't. The first guy said nothing remotely informative. Superficial seems to be his thing. I held out with the second guy's halting delivery for 6 minutes and gave up. He needs to talk a little more naturally and not pause to emphasise every other word unnecessarily.
 
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This has been established multiple times already. You can't help those refusing to acknowledge facts. Over and out. :)

I just love RISC.. PPC, PPC V2, ARM - they all kill intel in my opinion. Going to ARM is like it was during 1999-2000 G4 and think different. Yes, I also notice Apple does not like when we upgrade our machines.. one point is the 2015 MacBook Pro retina which I have - can only upgrade SSD, everything else soldered. 2019 MacBook Pro - user can’t upgrade a damn thing - expensive paper Weight.
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Does anyone like the look of Big Sur? Are you looking forward to it?
I love these guys informative videos :)Could we see macs with a touch screen?

NO ! It’s a toy, OS with IOS integration is nice, but the way the icons look - this is not a professional OS, it’s more like a toy versus Snow Leopard which was the LAST best and professional Mac OS ever ! Big Sur will never ever ever be like a professional OS, but a toy like OS.
 
I just love RISC.. PPC, PPC V2, ARM - they all kill intel in my opinion. Going to ARM is like it was during 1999-2000 G4 and think different. Yes, I also notice Apple does not like when we upgrade our machines.. one point is the 2015 MacBook Pro retina which I have - can only upgrade SSD, everything else soldered. 2019 MacBook Pro - user can’t upgrade a damn thing - expensive paper Weight.
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NO ! It’s a toy, OS with IOS integration is nice, but the way the icons look - this is not a professional OS, it’s more like a toy versus Snow Leopard which was the LAST best and professional Mac OS ever ! Big Sur will never ever ever be like a professional OS, but a toy like OS.
Does it mean you and others who don,t like it, will move over to Linux?
 
I have been a Mac user since my first Hackintosh/iBook in the 10.4.6 days. Its been a great ride, some OS were better than others. .7 and .13 were absolute trash.. I am truly excited about the Armintoshes, I think that they will scream.
 
Of course, just like the PPC days.. and we know where that ended ?? I have lost faith in Apple - the sooner Cook resigns the better.. he is no Steve Jobs and he can’t innovate with s*** - big Sur is nothing but a big toy OS with stupid unprofessional Mac lolling icons - a Snow Leopard it will never be.. May Apple burn in Eternsl Hell for what it has done to the computer ecosystem. ARM better be what they say it will be.
 
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OS X is an OS that has been very good to us PowerPC users, and today Mac OS 10 died with the release of Big Sur, which is pegged as macOS 11.0.

So a solid 18-19 years using the same OS number. It's been a blast, and will continue to be. Also, I would say a truly desktop OS is also dead now at Apple. This new look and functionality is brutal to me.

Saying MacOS is “dead” is ridiculous. It’s still MacOS, just with newer icons and a different platform. Still the exact same other than that.
 
Saying MacOS is “dead” is ridiculous. It’s still MacOS, just with newer icons and a different platform. Still the exact same other than that.
You're not reading what I wrote. I stated that macOS 10 was dead. Which it in fact is, as Big Sur is macOS 11.

It would help if you actually comprehended what someone is saying before you reply to them.
 
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Well, you said at the same time that a "truly desktop OS" is 'also dead' and complained about the "new look and functionality". It's true, you didn't literally say 'macOS is dead', but it's not that much of a stretch for someone to read between the lines and suppose that's what you meant in a deeper sense, is it?

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It occurred to me that even if the platform does grow generally more restricted in terms of software access, as I suspected it will, the Macintosh platform 'can't' be totally closed off in the same sense that the iDevices are, because the ecosystem assumes that app developers are using Macs, and the ability to develop software implies the ability to test it. I have a hard time believing that Apple would be so foolish as to sabotage the process of becoming a developer for the sake of restricting software access, so this means you should always be able to use open-source 'in-development' software, albeit maybe with more hoops to jump through to get there.

As far as Linux goes, Mac users who are tempted to 'defect', as I have done, should be aware of some things. Even with their modern GUIs and 'app stores', the Linux world, at its core, caters to the type of people who take the command line for granted. You'll end up using it whenever anything goes wrong or is even merely unexpected (which happens frequently). The cumulative effect adds up to something very different from the Mac, or even Windows, experience.

If you're a longterm Mac user and think you're unhappy with Apple's 'closed system', Linux is the opposite extreme, and demonstrates some of the reasons why Apple does it that way in the first place. I use it just about every day, so I'm not saying that it's bad or worthless, but it might be for you. "If you want a computer that's easy to use, there's still only one way to go." (At the least, I'd strongly recommend that anyone who thinks they want to use Linux do it on a virtual machine or a second boot partition first.)
 
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You're not reading what I wrote. I stated that macOS 10 was dead. Which it in fact is, as Big Sur is macOS 11.

It would help if you actually comprehended what someone is saying before you reply to them.
Also, I would say a truly desktop OS is also dead now at Apple. This new look and functionality is brutal to me.

I comprehended what you said just fine;)
 
I comprehended what you said just fine;)
It helps if you quote the post you're actually referring to. The post you originally quoted mentioned nothing about macOS being dead, so my point stands. And my opinion that was shared later is simply that... my opinion. The fact is that if an OS resembles something mobile, then how can it possibly be geared specifically to computers?
 
The fact is that if an OS resembles something mobile, then how can it possibly be geared specifically to computers?

Keyword “Resembles”, it’s still MacOS under the hood. The same MacOS we’ve used for years.

Apple usually has a reason for the things they do, and you’re reason is wrong. Craig Federghi stated that the icons were changed purely because it’s easier to recognize when you switch from your iPhone to Mac. Since Mac has different icons, it could be confusing for those who don’t use it often. Being Apple tries to be user-friendly, this doesn’t surprise me at all. Source is MKBHD’s interview with Craig.
 
Keyword “Resembles”, it’s still MacOS under the hood. The same MacOS we’ve used for years.

Apple usually has a reason for the things they do, and you’re reason is wrong. Craig Federghi stated that the icons were changed purely because it’s easier to recognize when you switch from your iPhone to Mac. Since Mac has different icons, it could be confusing for those who don’t use it often. Being Apple tries to be user-friendly, this doesn’t surprise me at all. Source is MKBHD’s interview with Craig.

So the dumb it down for everyone concept is a good thing to you? Grown adults with experience don't like using things that treat them like a lobotomized child.
 
So the dumb it down for everyone concept is a good thing to you? Grown adults with experience don't like using things that treat them like a lobotomized child.

It’s an icon, it does absolutely nothing to the functionality. Quit being over dramatic.

Computers are overwhelming for some, and if it helps people use them. I’m all for it. It’s not affecting how we use it, and it’s making it easier for people new to Mac’s. I don’t see the problem? Just sounds like you don’t like change. From a design standpoint, it’s smart. Developers also don’t have to spend more time coining a different icon for Mac and iOS.
 
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It’s an icon, it does absolutely nothing to the functionality. Quit being over dramatic.

Computers are overwhelming for some, and if it helps people use them. I’m all for it. It’s not affecting how we use it, and it’s making it easier for people new to Mac’s. I don’t see the problem? Just sounds like you don’t like change. From a design standpoint, it’s smart. Developers also don’t have to spend more time coining a different icon for Mac and iOS.
The issues go much deeper than just the icons. It will take a lot of people a good amount of time to get used to it, if they don't quit the platform before that. And it will slow people down during that transition.

And if someone finds any Mac OS overwhelming, then maybe computers, or at least Macs, aren't for them. It was already the most user friendly OS. Catering to the simple and limited keeps things simple and limited.
 
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As someone who was just introduced to macOS and Catalina, I have to say I'm excited for the future and where the Mac will go.
 
The issues go much deeper than just the icons. It will take a lot of people a good amount of time to get used to it, if they don't quit the platform before that. And it will slow people down during that transition.

And if someone finds any Mac OS overwhelming, then maybe computers, or at least Macs, aren't for them. It was already the most user friendly OS. Catering to the simple and limited keeps things simple and limited.

Stop being an Apple apologist, as it shows weakness, not strength.

If these grown adults have experience, I’m sure getting used to icons wouldn’t be a problem right?

And things can be overwhelming then easy once you learn them. And MacOS isn’t very user friendly. This is a step in the right direction.

Apple isn’t perfect but I’ll give them credit where it’s due. Just cause I don’t agree with you, doesn’t mean I’m an “apple apologist”. I look forward to what else you resort to calling me next:)
 
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If these grown adults have experience, I’m sure getting used to icons wouldn’t be a problem right?

And things can be overwhelming then easy once you learn them. And MacOS isn’t very user friendly. This is a step in the right direction.

Apple isn’t perfect but I’ll give them credit where it’s due. Just cause I don’t agree with you, doesn’t mean I’m an “apple apologist”. I look forward to what else you resort to calling me next:)
You will never be able to justify devolution to me. You're wasting your time. People are supposed to evolve over time, and I refuse to accept anything short of that.
 
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You will never be able to justify devolution to me. You're wasting your time. People are supposed to evolve over time, and I refuse to accept anything short of that.

I don’t care about convincing you, I’m just stating your reaction to a few image files is ridiculous.
 
Bottom line - the New OS will never be like Snow Leopard, at least that version which was the last best OS X had “mature liking icons”, and not stupid childish ones.
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but it isn't though...

maybe to you it isn’t, to me it is.
 
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