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Ripping DVDs for iPad 3rd Gen

Cscottrun said:
MP4, that good or bad?
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mp4 is what is necessary for apple products to play generally.

ALSO:
Ripping a dvd to a higher resolution is possible ->its upscaling...
it takes alot more power and produces blurry over sized video files ALTHOUGH these upscaled versions look better than the video stretched generally. This is due to the nature of continual video manipulation damaging the source quality after every manipulation.
 
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Mp4 should play fine as long as the bitrate isn't too high, or the bframes...

My encodes usually wind up being anywhere from 2-4GB per movie, which is around what Apple serves up over iTunes now for 1080p content.

I believe the iPad 2 can handle High Profile encodes up to level 4 (20 Mbps streams). Rumors that the iPad (3rd generation) might go higher will probably be confirmed tomorrow. I've been double or triple encoding my movies with various crazy high settings trying to find the absolute peak that will play back on the iPad. You might not see a major difference, but I like knowing that what I'm looking at is the best possible image, even if my eye doesn't notice the extra quality.

Also Mac's, and apps within OSX have various playback differences. I have some crazy high setting encodes that play fine in VLC but won't playback in QT or sync to any iDevice.
 
I think some of it might depend on where the up conversion is done. Different stages may make a better conversion than others. On the iPad, it has to be done in real time, while a good program can spend more time and may have a better algorithm.

I remember reading about DVD players several years ago when Blu-Ray and HD DVD were coming out (but expensive). DVD players started to support up converting DVDs to higher resolution to support TVs. Supposedly it looked better than older DVD players.

The flip side of doing it on the iPad is that the iPad is more aware of CPU, GPU, and display characteristics. If they provided better support for up converting DVD resolution, it may look better. And take less space.
 
kevink2 said:
I think some of it might depend on where the up conversion is done. Different stages may make a better conversion than others. On the iPad, it has to be done in real time, while a good program can spend more time and may have a better algorithm.

I remember reading about DVD players several years ago when Blu-Ray and HD DVD were coming out (but expensive). DVD players started to support up converting DVDs to higher resolution to support TVs. Supposedly it looked better than older DVD players.

The flip side of doing it on the iPad is that the iPad is more aware of CPU, GPU, and display characteristics. If they provided better support for up converting DVD resolution, it may look better. And take less space.
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That's the rub. I have yet to hear what original iPhone Apps (the old non-retina ones) look like blown up on the new iPad.

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Macman45 said:
That should NOT be happening...I'm using a custom iMac i7 with 16GB and it's not even kicking the fans up...Something else has got to be causing that pro to redline like that.
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No, that's par for the course. Set a blu-ray rip encode to the settings I posted before (with Constant Quality set to RF:18.5, Audio set to pro logic II MP3 320)
and you will see similar frame rates.
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Peanut207 said:
Does that work for Blu Rays also?
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Handbrake will rip unencrypted blu-rays. Meaning you can't just pop in a store bought or rented blu-ray disc and rip it like a DVD. (That and of course you need a blu-ray drive for your mac to even read the disc to begin with.)
 
Macman45 said:
I should point out that I'm ripping my own DVD's :)
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Of course you are.

It should be noted that while people laugh at the insane settings I use for my handbrake encodes (on both DVD and Blu-Ray) with the new iPad and it's insanely high res screen every bit of detail counts. That's why I encoded everything at the highest possible settings even if it was just a SD DVD. Minor flaws, compression and blemishes will really stand out on a SD DVD blown up to that new hi-res screen.
 
CIA said:
Also Mac's, and apps within OSX have various playback differences. I have some crazy high setting encodes that play fine in VLC but won't playback in QT or sync to any iDevice.
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Do you have any experience with playing a encoded movie with two audio tracks on an iPad 2? The first being DTS pass-thru and the second being AAC Core Audio at a bitrate of 160. Will the iPad immediately recognize the second channel as playable and skip the first since it can't use the DTS pass-thru?

I only ask because I have several blu-ray m4vs that have dual audio tracks. I do that because I play them through a WD TV Live and run the DTS pass-thru to my receiver and then I have the second AAC audio track for another WD TV that is just hooked up to a TV that can't output DTS pass-thru.

I'd rather not have to re-encode all of my movies and TV shows that are like that!
 
fridgeymonster3 said:
Do you have any experience with playing a encoded movie with two audio tracks on an iPad 2? The first being DTS pass-thru and the second being AAC Core Audio at a bitrate of 160. Will the iPad immediately recognize the second channel as playable and skip the first since it can't use the DTS pass-thru?

I only ask because I have several blu-ray m4vs that have dual audio tracks. I do that because I play them through a WD TV Live and run the DTS pass-thru to my receiver and then I have the second AAC audio track for another WD TV that is just hooked up to a TV that can't output DTS pass-thru.

I'd rather not have to re-encode all of my movies and TV shows that are like that!
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Hmm,, I tinkered a little with that, but not too much. I use PS3 Media server to send MKV's to my PS3 from my mac, but it's not ideal, so I wanted to encode some blu-rays in MP4 that contained both the DTS passthrough and a Mp3 stream. One copy would just live on my PS3's internal drive and the other would live on my iPad. I never managed to get the 5.1 working right on it. The channels would always come out shifted, Center would be the right speaker, Rear right would be just Right, etc... I have a home theater for a reason and don't want to watch in stereo. So I abandoned that idea. I should probably re-visit that, as it's been a year or so and maybe there's some progress. I don't have a Apple TV so all my iPad rips are just for the iPad so Pro Logic II works fine for me at 320.
 
CIA said:
Handbrake will rip unencrypted blu-rays. Meaning you can't just pop in a store bought or rented blu-ray disc and rip it like a DVD. (That and of course you need a blu-ray drive for your mac to even read the disc to begin with.)
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So what you're saying is that I won't be able to rip blu-rays from my collection to store on my iPad for on-the-go viewing?
 
What do you guys think of Ripit? Or is handbrake the better choice? I'm new to this and appreciate all the feedback.
 
BigFatCow said:
So what you're saying is that I won't be able to rip blu-rays from my collection to store on my iPad for on-the-go viewing?
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You'll need a program such as Make MKV to rip the blu ray disc (not free for blu rays after 30 days). You will then need to encode your rip to an iPad format. hand Brake will do that for you.

You can't go from a rip straight to the iPad.

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Peanut207 said:
What do you guys think of Ripit? Or is handbrake the better choice? I'm new to this and appreciate all the feedback.
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Considering Hand Brake is free and works great, I'd go with that. You can rip DVDs for free using Make MKV. (you can't rip blu rays for free using Make MKV after 30 days)
 
CIA said:
Of course you are.

It should be noted that while people laugh at the insane settings I use for my handbrake encodes (on both DVD and Blu-Ray) with the new iPad and it's insanely high res screen every bit of detail counts. That's why I encoded everything at the highest possible settings even if it was just a SD DVD. Minor flaws, compression and blemishes will really stand out on a SD DVD blown up to that new hi-res screen.
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I agree, I won't really know until I have my iPad and ATV which is why I didn't want to rip my entire collection...I chose LOTR because the camera work is just the best...Cranked my HB settings up too what I consider to be a good quality, but leaving plenty of scope for going further.

Truth is, we won't any of really know until we have our new devices set up and have experimented a bit. For now, I can only stream them in 1080p with full Dolby through my ATV2 so the real test comes tomorrow...:)
 
dell who? said:
What I'm confused about is this original post getting the thumbs down from people...
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It happens all the time...There are those amongst us who think it's clever, it's been discussed at length, and all seem to agree that it needs to be fixed....Me? I just ignore it. Trolls are nothing new, and we seem to have quite a few who think it's smart to down vote everything,

I've had lengthy tech. related threads where I've fixed stuff for people get down voted too...Ignore it..Just stupidity.
 
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knobsmagee said:
I guess what I'm confused about is when you use the 1080P or 720P settings to rip on a 480 DVD what exactly does it do? Is it just a complete waste and using the natural resolution is the way to go?
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Yes. Trying to make a DVD HD is like trying to make a short man tall (which is kind of what "upscaling" is). Just use the iPad preset on Handbrake. If you want HD you need to start with HD media.
 
MarkG21 said:
You'll need a program such as Make MKV to rip the blu ray disc (not free for blu rays after 30 days). You will then need to encode your rip to an iPad format. hand Brake will do that for you.

You can't go from a rip straight to the iPad.

Sounds like a lot of work. I think I'll just rent/buy movies from iTunes. For TV, viewing, that's what's OnDemand or Netflix is for.

Too bad iTunes doesn't have LOTR Extended edition. :(
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CIA said:
Since the new version of handbrake took out the nice easy "I want my final file size to be this" setting, the 1 pass encodes with this setup take about 24-36 hours, depending on what else I'm doing with my machine (I edit video for a living). Took longer before because I would use 2 pass encodes. So 2-3 days total to encode a normal 90-100 minute blu-ray.
We have a bunch of 2008, 2009, and 2010 Mac pro's here (from 8 real cores up to the 2010's 12 real + 12 virtual 24 core beasts. So when we have a few days of downtime I steal the horsepower and re-encode my blu-rays for iPad 3.

MacBlu-Ray Ripper is my software. And yes, I own all the movies I rip.
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2-3 days for a Mac Pro--that's depressing. How long does it take for a measly Macbook Pro? Since you are obviously on-board with Handbrake settings for the new iPad, can you share them here--possibly upload a preset? Do you encode to mp4 or mkv?
 
foobaz said:
2-3 days for a Mac Pro--that's depressing. How long does it take for a measly Macbook Pro? Since you are obviously on-board with Handbrake settings for the new iPad, can you share them here--possibly upload a preset? Do you encode to mp4 or mkv?
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See post #35 on why it takes CIA so long to encode a blu ray. (nothing wrong with his settings but a bit excessive for 99% of people). I'd use his settings if I had the time.



What type of MBP do you have? Which processor?

With regards for preset, Use High profile preset and go into the picture settings and set Detelecine and Decomb to "Off". That is under the filter tab in picture settings. In the size tab, change anamorphic to "strict".
 
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kevink2 said:
I remember reading about DVD players several years ago when Blu-Ray and HD DVD were coming out (but expensive). DVD players started to support up converting DVDs to higher resolution to support TVs. Supposedly it looked better than older DVD players..
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Well either the TV was going to upscale, or the DVD player. If you were connecting via analog then it was better to do it on the player. If you could pass an upscaled digital signal, then you simply wanted the device with the higher quality chipset to perform the upscaling.
 
MarkG21 said:
See post #35 on why it takes CIA so long to encode a blu ray. (nothing wrong with his settings but a bit excessive for 99% of people). I'd use his settings if I had the time.
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Yeah, I had read that, and although I agree with wanting to squeeze out every last bit of quality the new screen is capable of displaying, unfortunately, time is an option for me too.

What type of MBP do you have? Which processor?
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It's a humble 13" with core duo 2.4GHz so I'm not expecting any miracles. I am looking for a USED Pro on craigslist for this very purpose.

With regards for preset, Use High profile preset and go into the picture settings and set Detelecine and Decomb to "Off". That is under the filter tab in picture settings. In the size tab, change anamorphic to "strict".
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Will have to try that.
 
best settings for playbak dvd movies on iPad 3

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Just load DVD into the software, choose "Apple iPad -> iPad H.264 Video(*mp4)" option and click "Settings" button to set best video and audio settings for playback movies on iPad. Finally click "Convert" button to start conversion. Done!
 
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