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Mac is a niche platform compare to iOS. Things have changed (significantly) since that SJ meme.
Doesn’t matter. It’s an Apple platform and to quote your words is subject to scamware, malware, copy apps. Unless you are implying it’s OK to have this as long as it’s an Apple product which doesn’t have market share.

Even the market share thing is arguable with Mac. Apple only makes super high end notebooks. What % of Windows computers in the wild are equivalent?
 
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They already have it with the Mac. What makes iPhone different? I have dabbled with third party stores on Android and unless you are actively looking for sketchy stuff, you will never get infected. You already need to do this in Mac and Windows. iOS is the only exception here and once EU passes the law, Apple will be forced to change this as it should.
What’s wrong with the iPhone being different so that consumers have a choice of something that doesn’t work like everything else?
 
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Alternative app stores also help provide innovative ideas which Apple can integrate into their own store down the line.

We know way too little at this point to answer whether that’s possible. Will other app stores have lower sandboxing requirements? If so, for example, it would’ve been possible to do something like Universal Control years ago, with poorer integration with other Apple devices but better support for other platforms.

There’s also the entire range of Rogue Amoeba apps. Basically can’t be done on iPhone and iPad.

Etc.

But if “other app stores” just means “some other front-end with more or less the same rules”, I’m not sure why this is worth pursuing at all.
 
Doesn’t matter. It’s an Apple platform and to quote your words is subject to scamware, malware, copy apps. Unless you are implying it’s OK to have this as long as it’s an Apple product which doesn’t have market share.

Even the market share thing is arguable with Mac. Apple only makes super high end notebooks. What % of Windows computers in the wild are equivalent?
It does matter. If one is going to spend time and energy going after targets, why go Mac users which pale in comparison to iphone users? It's a rare person, who would own a mac bur not an iphone, but not rare to own an iphone and not mac. iphones $ for $ are a better target for someone's time and energy than macs. If one is going to go after Macs, might as well go after windows uses.
 
They already have it with the Mac. What makes iPhone different? I have dabbled with third party stores on Android and unless you are actively looking for sketchy stuff, you will never get infected. You already need to do this in Mac and Windows.
Same argument, number of users. Now I don't know exactly the number of mac users (estimated: https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/mac-market-share-10-percent-ios/), but it's estimated there are about 1 billion iphone users https://www.demandsage.com/iphone-user-statistics/ If you were writing malware and going after a target, which one would you pick?
iOS is the only exception here and once EU passes the law, Apple will be forced to change this as it should.
No it shouldn't. Don't buy an iphone if it doesn't suit your requirements. Besides you may get what you asked for and not able to sideload the malware app of your choosing based on how Apple implements this.
 
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Forcing other people to do what you want isn't freedom.

The irony of this statement! Did you know that restricting people to only download apps from Apple's store is forcing them to whatever rules Apple decides? That's not freedom.
Deciding autonomously which apps to install from where is freedom.

If you instead like the App Store then just keep using it.
 
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The irony of this statement! Did you know that restricting people to only download apps from Apple's store is forcing them to whatever rules Apple decides? That's not freedom.
Deciding autonomously which apps to install from where is freedom.

If you instead like the App Store then just keep using it.

But nobody is forcing you to use an iPhone either. Alternatives do exist.
 
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The irony of this statement! Did you know that restricting people to only download apps from Apple's store is forcing them to whatever rules Apple decides? That's not freedom.
Freedom is the ability to choose your platform. Buy what works best for you. If a platform doesn't have the functionality you need, buy the platform that does.
Deciding autonomously which apps to install from where is freedom.
And android has this. IOS is a closed ecosystem.
If you instead like the App Store then just keep using it.
It's about the devaluation of the entire platform.
 
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Buy what works best for you. If a platform doesn't have the functionality you need, buy the platform that does.
So will you switch to kaiOS once this goes through?

IOS is a closed ecosystem.
But it's never been a selling point, that would be the tight Apple ecosystem integration. And I doubt your sole reason for buying iPhone is the closed ecosystem. If it is, see above ☝️

It's about the devaluation of the entire platform.
If anything, competition will push Apple to improve the App Store, so it's a win/win.
 
So will you switch to kaiOS once this goes through?
No, because ios will go from the best of the best to the best or worse. It's still the best for me, except the ecosystem is gong to take a dive.
But it's never been a selling point, that would be the tight Apple ecosystem integration. And I doubt your sole reason for buying iPhone is the closed ecosystem. If it is, see above ☝️
Apple has made it so that closed ecosystem = tight ecosystem.
If anything, competition will push Apple to improve the App Store, so it's a win/win.
I see it as a lose/lose. Everything could use improvement, but the app store is pretty good, at least in my opinion.
 
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No, because ios will go from the best of the best to the best or worse. It's still the best for me, except the ecosystem is gong to take a dive.
Then why do you suggest switching to Android to those favorable to third party stores?

Apple has made it so that closed ecosystem = tight ecosystem.
I don't know if I expressed myself unclearly but I was talking about features such as Handoff and AirPlay, which don't need a closed ecosystem and are also available on Mac.

I see it as a lose/lose. Everything could use improvement, but the app store is pretty good, at least in my opinion.
Think about how the App Store could be if Apple improves it even further!
 
Then why do you suggest switching to Android to those favorable to third party stores?


I don't know if I expressed myself unclearly but I was talking about features such as Handoff and AirPlay, which don't need a closed ecosystem and are also available on Mac.


Think about how the App Store could be if Apple improves it even further!
Can’t think of much apple could do to improve the App Store.
 
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Then why do you suggest switching to Android to those favorable to third party stores?
Because android has the functionality people desire eg sideloading. I’ve never claimed to want sideloading. In fact m assertion is a closed ecosystem at this point works very well.
I don't know if I expressed myself unclearly but I was talking about features such as Handoff and AirPlay, which don't need a closed ecosystem and are also available on Mac.
Ok. There are many iOS features that could function on any platform.
Think about how the App Store could be if Apple improves it even further!
Everything could use improving. Nothing is static. But you could email your feedback to feedback at apple dot com.
 
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Because android has the functionality people desire eg sideloading. I’ve never claimed to want sideloading. In fact m assertion is a closed ecosystem at this point works very well.
"Do as I say, not as I do." If you wouldn't change your phone when it becomes open (your desired functionality, i.e. the closed ecosystem, doesn't exist anymore), why do you expect others to do so?

Ok. There are many iOS features that could function on any platform.
I'm specifically talking about the Apple-only features, the one that are actually marketed by Apple.

Everything could use improving. Nothing is static. But you could email your feedback to feedback at apple dot com.
I don't have to; thanks to the EU, Apple will make these changes autonomously ;)
 
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"Do as I say, not as I do." If you wouldn't change your phone when it becomes open (your desired functionality, i.e. the closed ecosystem, doesn't exist anymore), why do you expect others to do so?
Because others want sideloading — a functionality that already exists on other devices. Why should I change my device when apple adds something I don’t like? It’s not as if they took away something I use.
I'm specifically talking about the Apple-only features, the one that are actually marketed by Apple.
Ok.
I don't have to; thanks to the EU, Apple will make these changes autonomously ;)
You might not be in agreement the way apple does this, and then I’ll smile.
 
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Sideloading has become a cause celebre from the "free my iphone" crowd. A restricted activity that Apple activists use decrying Apples' total control over IOS.

I still think that a large part of the people calling for sideloading on the iPhone don’t really need said feature.

The anti-Apple messaging last decade centered around how Apple products were too expensive and consumers would increasingly flock to cheaper android alternatives. Apple was positioned as constantly being one flop away from irrelevancy.

This made it possible for the haters to be gaslit by entire industries into thinking that concepts like smart speakers and folding phones were the future. They were just so desperate to believe that Apple was doomed.

This decade, it certainly seems like the central theme undergirding Apple criticism is that Apple has gotten too powerful and needs to be reigned in. Support for opening up iOS is less because these people genuinely think it’s in the best interest of iOS users, and more because it’s viewed as one of a declining number of ways they can pull Apple down a peg or two.

A means to an end, if you will. And why I look forward to seeing Apple’s response to this. Gut feel - it’s not going to turn out the way people think it will.
 
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I still think that a large part of the people calling for sideloading on the iPhone don’t really need said feature.

The anti-Apple messaging last decade centered around how Apple products were too expensive and consumers would increasingly flock to cheaper android alternatives. Apple was positioned as constantly being one flop away from irrelevancy.

This made it possible for the haters to be gaslit by entire industries into thinking that concepts like smart speakers and folding phones were the future. They were just so desperate to believe that Apple was doomed.

This decade, it certainly seems like the central theme undergirding Apple criticism is that Apple has gotten too powerful and needs to be reigned in. Support for opening up iOS is less because these people genuinely think it’s in the best interest of iOS users, and more because it’s viewed as one of a declining number of ways they can pull Apple down a peg or two.

A means to an end, if you will. And why I look forward to seeing Apple’s response to this. Gut feel - it’s not going to turn out the way people think it will.


It will likely end the same way their last disagreement with the EU did.




and then..


 
It will likely end the same way their last disagreement with the EU did.




and then..


Yes Apple will have to abide by the law, even if it makes their products worse for consumers.
 
Jobs decided on 30% tax ages ago and no one had problems with that. Nowaday snowflakes found a problem when it was not there.
It would be a problem to point if this 30% was increased but if it was rock solid for several years…
c’mon look first on your taxes first where governments are taking more and more
 
It will likely end the same way their last disagreement with the EU did.
Well, there's complying, and there's complying. Allowing sideloading isn't as straightforward as replacing the iPhone's lightning port with a usb-c port (and even then, there's ambiguity, like the speed of the usb-c connection, which Apple could in theory use to differentiate their various iPhone lineups).

As always, the devil is in the details, as this will determine the relative ease of sideloading as well as the financial feasibility of doing so, which in turn decides whether said feature takes off or is dead in the water.
 
Well, there's complying, and there's complying. Allowing sideloading isn't as straightforward as replacing the iPhone's lightning port with a usb-c port (and even then, there's ambiguity, like the speed of the usb-c connection, which Apple could in theory use to differentiate their various iPhone lineups).

As always, the devil is in the details, as this will determine the relative ease of sideloading as well as the financial feasibility of doing so, which in turn decides whether said feature takes off or is dead in the water.

Yep. They will get slapped with an enormous fine if there is any deliberate undermining of the spirit of the legislation.


Given the substantial economic power of gatekeepers, it is important that the obligations are applied effectively and are not circumvented. To that end, the rules in question should apply to any practice by a gatekeeper, irrespective of its form and irrespective of whether it is of a contractual, commercial, technical or any other nature, insofar as the practice corresponds to the type of practice that is the subject of one of the obligations laid down by this Regulation. Gatekeepers should not engage in behaviour that would undermine the effectiveness of the prohibitions and obligations laid down in this Regulation. Such behaviour includes the design used by the gatekeeper, the presentation of end-user choices in a non-neutral manner, or using the structure, function or manner of operation of a user interface or a part thereof to subvert or impair user autonomy, decision-making, or choice. Furthermore, the gatekeeper should not be allowed to engage in any behaviour undermining interoperability as required under this Regulation, such as for example by using unjustified technical protection measures, discriminatory terms of service, unlawfully claiming a copyright on application programming interfaces or providing misleading information. Gatekeepers should not be allowed to circumvent their designation by artificially segmenting, dividing, subdividing, fragmenting or splitting their core platform services to circumvent the quantitative thresholds laid down in this Regulation.


Sounds like EU are also reserving the right to break them up..

In case of systematic infringements of the DMA obligations by gatekeepers, additional remedies may be imposed on the gatekeepers after a market investigation. Such remedies will need to be proportionate to the offence committed. If necessary and as a last resort option, non-financial remedies can be imposed. These can include behavioural and structural remedies, e.g. the divestiture of (parts of) a business.
 
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