You can't miss what you don't experience, I guess. I'd miss my car not being able to direct me to my next appointment in a Calendar event or being able to call or message one of my relatives (addressed by relationship) or contacts (without giving up my entire contacts database). Or, more recently, being able to ask ChatGPT questions by voice.
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Rivian CEO Doubles Down on Decision to Not Offer Apple CarPlay
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Doesn't it only ship on an aston Martin DB12 right now? How many people do you think have used carplay ultra lol
Who says I want to use their software at all? Seamless experience my A. Once I open Car Play or Android Auto, I don't engage with the ugly built in software
Isn't this the tail wagging the dog? I wouldn't let my $1,000 device determine which $50,000 vehicle I purchase that is literally propelling me at high speeds through highways.
Just saying...
I’m on my second Tesla
I have a sub for Apple Music which offers immense choice, but the interface is inadequate
not fussed about maps so much
I love the instant acceleration and doing 0-60 in 3 seconds in my junk electric car..... Also love that I haven't had to inhale toxic gas fumes in years... wake up to a full car with 350 miles of range every morning... again in my junk electric car.... no need for keys, pushing a button to start, just sit in the car, press the brake and go.... when I get out just walk off and the car turns off....not to mention all of the amazing modern tech... I could go on and on.... man what junk
CarPlay is an external monitor where the phone drives everything on the display. That's all it is. For them to not support it is just a waste of an already fledgling company's resources. CEO said "prefers to provide an à-la-carte selection of built-in apps, such as Apple Music, Google Maps, Spotify, and YouTube." To clarify: Apple, Google, Spotify is not building those apps, Rivian is. Which means each of those apps has it's own team of Rivian software engineers who are replicating the official applications and trying to keep up with the changes. And that is a really stupid and expensive undertaking.
Since they are going this expensive route, they are booking the software engineering expense under capex and going to want to get a ROI on it. Which, like other commenters have said, is to place it behind a juicy subscription tier. That's all it is, it's not some technical genius decision, it's just pure economics.
Since they are going this expensive route, they are booking the software engineering expense under capex and going to want to get a ROI on it. Which, like other commenters have said, is to place it behind a juicy subscription tier. That's all it is, it's not some technical genius decision, it's just pure economics.
If that's the world we live in, Rivian could also ask for "their cut" by selling access to CarPlay "app" on a subscription basis. While they may not get many takers, given that other car companies provide this basic feature for free, at least they'd remove its complete absence (and Android Auto) as an obstacle to a Rivian sale.
Rivian will bend - eventually. They're not out of the woods as an EV manufacturer yet. The company, after 16 years in business, is still losing money. And with EV incentives gone, it's going to be a tough road ahead trying to sell an $70k+ vehicle. Their R2 is still a year or more away and at $45+k may not be mass-market enough to turn things around in this increasingly fragile economy.
I wouldn’t buy another car without CarPlay. It’s not perfect but it generally gets better over time and I don’t have to learn my way round the UI every time I swap cars. The 3 years with the Tesla were frustrating for many reasons, the lack of CarPlay being one of the more significant issues. A lot of low-end cars now don’t even bother with a entertainment system. They just have a Bluetooth receiver, a usb power port, and somewhere to put your phone. I’d be happy if they all did that but the move away from tactile buttons and switches to a screen for settings makes this impossible on more sophisticated cars.
A lot of these car manufacturers are trying to pivot to this to bar people from using their smartphones for functions to evade recurring subscription fees they would otherwise lose if they gave you access to CarPlay. GM does this same thing in newer vehicles -- they want to force you to use their Google Infotainment system that forces you to have a subscription to access 4G/5G service in your car, plus you have to pay for services like Google Maps (which is free on a phone and would be free with CarPlay), all the while GM collects your data and sells it. So they're making money off of customers paying subscription fees to them AND from selling their customers' data. Underhanded stuff, really.
I don't use this with my Tesla but you can setup our calendar and it will have directions waiting for you based on your calendar entries. I generally just push the address to where I am going to be heading from my iPhone before I head out.
You don't trust a car company but are ok with Apple using all your data? Apple may not sell your data to others but you know they are using your data, all your data right down to your heart rate and how you sleep to get you to buy more and more and more.
after suffering through a tesla without carplay, we were thinking of a rivan, but now? nope. Never, ever again will we buy a car without it. We aren't going to let a car company have full access to our phones, and have darned good reason to not let them know our destinations. Apple doesn't monetize our private data, car companies do.
No carplay = no sale.
And that doesn't even take into account just how bad the UX is on the OEM systems.
No carplay = no sale.
And that doesn't even take into account just how bad the UX is on the OEM systems.
I would not be so sure. People buying expensive cars have very different priorities than geeky Apple fans who post on the MacRumors forum.
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A few things: if a car manufacturer provides access to CarPlay (or, I assume same holds for Android Auto), then I don't have to "setup" anything. And, more importantly, I don't have to upload anything to the car (or car manufacturer's servers). And, when I rent a car with CarPlay - everything is still available. And, again, I don't have to upload my data into some unknown car!
I'm amazed you don't understand the simple concept of "the more places you put your data, the more likely it is that you'll lose it". I've made my peace with entrusting *one* company with my data - Apple. Their business model doesn't rely on harvesting my personal information and, more importantly, they've stated publicly that they don't use my personal information. If they did and people found out, they'd be sued out of existence.
What you say about Apple "using my data" is complete drivel. Of course they collect all this information - because I want them to provide services based on that information! What they don't do is use this information for their economic benefit. And when they do want to use your information off-device - e.g. to help with heart research - you have to give permission *and* the data gets anonymized.
I know you'll give a glib answer about me being naive. But what you won't do is argue seriously - like why I am wrong that they won't use my data because they'd get sued out of existence if they did.
But in the end, you do what you're happy with. If you want to give your data to every tom, dick, and harry that asks for it, instead of limiting it to one or two places you trust - go for it.
Rivian could implement CarPlay Ultra if they wished, and this would give them significant control over the appearance.
Hard to tell. It could be just a misuse of the word.
It's a religious word -- in the sense of the 2nd verb meaning here. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/convict , so it's either a the type of error you mention, or an error by the speaker.
Unless an auto manufacturer provides me a reliable, open way to upgrade my in-car experience indefinitely, no thanks.
I agree
The audacity that some of these automakers to say that they're going to flat out not offer CarPlay is just astounding and I'm with ya on this
My current vehicle that I have (2021 Toyota RAV4) had CarPlay on its stock unit, but it wasn't wireless and its screen that it had was small even for 2021 standards with it being just 7"
To overcome that, I have since swapped out the stock unit for one that not only has wireless CarPlay built-in, but also a much bigger screen (12.3", which for a vehicle like mine, is plenty big for that dash)
Hell no, when I have to drive other cars other than my Tesla and am forced to use CarPlay, oh how horrible.
