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RMBP...worth waiting for a refresh

homes2525 said:
Hi everyone
There are a lot of posts/threads relating to this so called 'lag' on the new retina MacBook pro, but is it really that bad/noticeable to a normal user
Could someone post a video on the best retina setting on the intel graphics running the latest mountain lion update to show the lag?

Also has mountain lion 10.8.1 fixed anything?

I was gonna get this rmbp for university, but due to the complaints I've seen o. This thread, I'm considering buying an air until the retina is refreshed and then selling that?
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You'll find that nobody here is able to reproduce the lag in a video, which should tell you a lot about this purported "problem". I have created a video in one of the higher scaled resolutions (more taxing to the CPU and GPU) and you can clearly see that there is absolutely no lag.

http://youtu.be/Dudx1GhHGiY

To anyone who insists there is lag, I challenge you to post a video.
 
SiPi said:
Yeah stay away from the rmbp for this gen

Dogged with loads of issues
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Not really :rolleyes:

As the individual you must filter the content of the internet very carefully, everyone is a "Pro", everyone the "Expert", for the most part they are not, some are well informed, the majority are not. If you need help to make a significant purchase, or qualification on hardware, wait for a recognised source, not the kid with 10 minutes hands on in Best Buy ;)
 
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Queen6 said:
Not really :rolleyes:

As the individual you must filter the content of the internet very carefully, everyone is a "Pro", everyone the "Expert", for the most part they are not, some are well informed, the majority are not. If you need help to make a significant purchase, or qualification on hardware, wait for a recognised source, not the kid with 10 minutes hands on in Best Buy ;)
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The unit i purchased was terrible.

Im waiting for the 2nd gen.
 
queen6 said:
not really :rolleyes:

As the individual you must filter the content of the internet very carefully, everyone is a "pro", everyone the "expert", for the most part they are not, some are well informed, the majority are not. If you need help to make a significant purchase, or qualification on hardware, wait for a recognised source, not the kid with 10 minutes hands on in best buy ;)
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SiPi said:
I purchased a rMBP directly from Apple. I was very unhappy with various defects and faults so returned it for a full refund a week later.
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What was wrong?
 
SiPi said:
The unit i purchased was terrible.

Im waiting for the 2nd gen.
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Of that i have no doubt, however that does not mean that all 2012 Retina`s suffer the same issues. The vast majority will function as intended, FWIW i too am waiting for the second generation, the one difference; in the meantime, i am enjoying the present Retina which as one would expect has no issue ;)
 
homes2525 said:
Hi everyone
There are a lot of posts/threads relating to this so called 'lag' on the new retina MacBook pro, but is it really that bad/noticeable to a normal user
Could someone post a video on the best retina setting on the intel graphics running the latest mountain lion update to show the lag?

Also has mountain lion 10.8.1 fixed anything?

I was gonna get this rmbp for university, but due to the complaints I've seen o. This thread, I'm considering buying an air until the retina is refreshed and then selling that?
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Beware of advices of many folks who already bought the retina and apple salesmen hanging out here... They are really keen to welcome you aboard .......................................................................... the RMS Titanic... :D
 
I find it really hard to believe the rMBP you returned had *various defects* AND *faults* ... I would really like to know how many and what *defects* and *faults* did the machine have ?

I don't really see the rMBP as a Gen 1 product per se. I view it as an amalgamation of the MBA + MBP.
 
sofianito said:
Beware of advices of many folks who already bought the retina
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Can you explain why you don't think the poster should take advice from people who own the machine? I'd rather have advice from someone who owns it than someone who played with it for 10 minutes in an Apple store and drew conclusions or, even worse, has never used one.
 
playsontheleft said:
Can you explain why you don't think the poster should take advice from people who own the machine? I'd rather have advice from someone who owns it than someone who played with it for 10 minutes in an Apple store and drew conclusions or, even worse, has never used one.
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What's even funnier is whenever someone posts a thread about whether to get the RMBP, among the first to post in these threads are those who call out all of the problems and who don't even own the machine in question! Isn't it funny how those who don't even use the darn thing seem to have all of the answers?

LOL!
 
playsontheleft said:
Can you explain why you don't think the poster should take advice from people who own the machine?
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Lol. I am not preventing anyone from taking advices here... I am just advising the OP to be watchful and patient ;). On the other hand, if there are many owners on the same boat, it might probably give good results if they ever decide to take action... before the boat sinks... :D

I'd rather have advice from someone who owns it than someone who played with it for 10 minutes in an Apple store and drew conclusions or, even worse, has never used one.
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Baseless assumptions! I am lucky enough to live 10 min far from apple store. I spent so many time playing with the base model that most of apple store staff know me :D. One of them even told to not expect perfection from these machines since it is the first generation... Hence, if you spend $3-4k on these diamonds, you should not be too demanding... :rolleyes:
 
playsontheleft said:
Can you explain why you don't think the poster should take advice from people who own the machine? I'd rather have advice from someone who owns it than someone who played with it for 10 minutes in an Apple store and drew conclusions or, even worse, has never used one.
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So do most normal people, the vast majority of people will be more than happy with their purchase, however there will always be a highly vocal minority who are "dead against" a new product for their own reasons. This is very much illustrated here with a huge tirade of negative posts directed towards the Retina MBP, yet a recent poll indicated over 80% of actual owners had no issue, 2% had minor issue and happy to live with it, 10% went for a replacement and the rest tried it, had fault and didn't want replacement.
 
sofianito said:
Baseless assumptions! I am lucky enough to live 10 min far from apple store. I spent so many time playing with the base model that most of apple store staff know me :D. One of them even told to not expect perfection from these machines since it is the first generation... Hence, if you spend $3-4k on these diamonds, you should not be too demanding... :rolleyes:
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As we were saying; As the individual you must filter the content of the internet very carefully, everyone is a "pro", everyone the "expert", for the most part they are not, some are well informed, the majority are not. If you need help to make a significant purchase, or qualification on hardware, wait for a recognised source, not the kid with 10 minutes hands on in best buy ;)

Those that actually own the machine, work with it, even make their living from it will clearly have a better indication of the Retina`s capabilities especially if they are coming from a 2011 system. These owners will be working with production software not demo`s, actual data not synthetic tests, or we can simply refer to the above...
 
Queen6 said:
As we were saying; As the individual you must filter the content of the internet very carefully, everyone is a "pro", everyone the "expert", for the most part they are not, some are well informed, the majority are not. If you need help to make a significant purchase, or qualification on hardware, wait for a recognised source, not the kid with 10 minutes hands on in best buy ;)

Those that actually own the machine, work with it, even make their living from it will clearly have a better indication of the Retina`s capabilities especially if they are coming from a 2011 system. These owners will be working with production software not demo`s, actual data not synthetic tests, or we can simply refer to the above...
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Lol, as I note, you like to type a lot on your retina and stare at your crisp text... isn't it? :D. Tell me, why do I need to purchase a retina mbp if I can reproduce the lag and ghosting at the store? I am avoiding myself the hassle of having to return it or asking strangers to convince me to keep it...

By the way, why the 2011 mbp owners have better indication? Shouldn't the Retina blow 2008 mbp owners with its screen crispness and performances? ;)
 
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jonnymo5 said:
I wouldn't rush a purchase just to the get mbpr but if you are in the market for an Apple laptop then it really is the best one right now. Same as all Apple products there will probably be a new one next year and it will be a little better than this one.

I picked up one of them on launch day and it has been working flawlessly. It has a lot of power in a small package.
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lg ro samsung
 
sofianito said:
Lol, as I note, you like to type a lot on your retina and stare at your crisp text... isn't it? :D. Tell me, why do I need to purchase a retina mbp if I can reproduce the lag and ghosting at the store? I am avoiding myself the hassle of having to return it or asking strangers to convince me to keep it...

By the way, why the 2011 mbp owners have better indication? Shouldn't the Retina blow 2008 mbp owners with its screen crispness and performances? ;)
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Well, when it's not doing anything particularly demanding, the CPU downclocks itself to 1.2GHz. The GPU probably down clocks itself a fair bit too. Under those conditions... no, it probably isn't actually any more powerful than even a 2008MBP.

Where this machine (and other 2012 MBPs) shines however is when you actually call on the performance. The CPU clocks itself to 3.4GHz (in the case of the 2.6GHz model) in anything that actually requires the extra performance - so we're talking CPU performance on the level of the top-end iMac. Even the GPU is pretty impressive - for all intents and purposes, it's a GTX 660M. And I am still surprised as to how close it performs to the 5870 in my desktop.

So does it occasionally stutter on a few animations? Sure - though not a whole lot mind you. But when the system actually calls on the power, this machine shows its strength. You can't judge the whole system on some animations which are pretty much entirely cosmetic.
 
sofianito said:
Lol, as I note, you like to type a lot on your retina and stare at your crisp text... isn't it? :D. Tell me, why do I need to purchase a retina mbp if I can reproduce the lag and ghosting at the store? and why the 2011 mbp owners have better indication? Shouldn't the Retina blow 2008 mbp owners with its screen crispness and performances? ;)
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You don't, nor is anyone forcing you too, equally it`s not possible to define a entire range of systems just from the show stock in the Apple Store. My own Retina does not suffer any noticeable lag, image retention, dead pixels, physical damage, misaligned panels, dull display, poor coloration, excessive light bleed etc and i am fairly confident in stating nor will the majority.

The Late 2011 15" MBP offers the best comparison, few will have both Mid 2012 Retina & standard Unibody. The performance margin between the 2011 & Retina is far narrower than a C2D machine from 2008, as the performance differential between the four year old system and the Retina is literally staggering. Not so much for the 2011 so we can see more effectively did Apple get it right with the Retina? Does the new machine perform better having to drive the Retina display and with the reduction in size or are there trade offs.

I spend time between 3-4 Mac`s of which one is Retina, the majority being a Late 2011 15" MBP...
 
thekev said:
I find the polarization effect happens frequently when people are spending well outside of their comfort zone due to new shiny things.
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And at $2,199- as the minimum entry price there aren't a lot of people - certainly not Americans with several million on the sidewalk or in tents - who can comfortably purchase this machine.
 
sheesh

i just really - really wonder about these people who spend 2500+ on something like this because what do they earn from the work produced on these machines?

i'm a recording artist, i spent 2500+ on my 2007 17" mbp and with it i produced over 12 full length albums, which within 4 months 2 albums sold out completely, so the machine was paid for at least 6 times over by that time.

i continue producing albums on that 2007 machine and will until 2015 at least at this rate.

heck i am still producing works on my 1998 HP pavilion tower!

i guess these machines of late from apple are meant to appeal even more than ever to the fashionable consumer than the high end professionals, because those professionals are still producing tons of work and are still so productive.

in these forums people can go on and on, and on about glare and anti-glare but when relevant questions on specs comes up people ignore it.

there is a real 'little boy's club' in these online forums and mob mentality here about spending a stupid amount of money to look good or out do the other boys. make fun of the ones who point out the obvious stupidity of spending a crazy amount of money - pointing at them calling them names and insulting them with ridiculous assumptions - like they can't afford it.

i guess us girls are worse but with in the context of fashion and purses, which i could care less about anyways.

i love technical threads and less of the show off ones.

thanks.
 
I got nothing bad to say for myself as well. No lag issues. Maybe battery issues with 10.8.1... getting under 5hr battery life. :(
 
I highly doubt that next years refresh will bring anything worth waiting an entire year for, the timing of the rMBP's current release makes it as future proof as it gets in the PC industry.

Firstly, it comes at a rare moment where both the CPU and GPU architectures have both received some major improvements at the same time. While Ivy bridge is pretty much just a die shrunken sandy bridge, it was improved in 3 major areas; Integrated GPU power, power savings from jumping to the 22nm process, and a decent 5-10% clock for clock performance improvement.

This is ultimately where Haswell is most likely going to make the biggest difference; integrated GPU performance, by jumping from Ivy bridges 16 execution unites to what is expected to be 40. Personally I wouldn't expect clock for clock performance to improve more than the jump from sandy bridge to ivy bridge, and we are still on the 22nm process, so power efficiency should creep forward by a similar margin.

What this means for the igpu is that it might actually be a side grade. If the HD5000 approaches the nvidia 650M in performance, then expect to simply loose discrete graphics, much in the same way the macbook air and pro lost their nvidia 320M in favour of just sandybridge's HD3000.

On the discrete GPU side of things, if Haswell doesn't remove the need for dedicated graphics, then the current geforce 650M will be king for a long time. This is simply because unlike intel, which alternates micro architectural updates with process shrinks on a yearly basis, the graphics industry still does both at the same time. Kepler moved us from 40nm to 28 while at the same time drastically improving power efficiency. There are currently two kepler SKUs: a desktop oriented GK104 (~1536 cores) and the mobile oriented GK107 (384 cores, or 1/4 of GK104). The rMBP already uses the best version of the mobile kepler chip simply by having the highest clock speeds and fastest graphics memory (even higher than what nvidia says is their highest GK107 product; the GTX 660M). There is only one other 'mobile' kepler chip, and thats the GK104 based GTX 680M which alone draws more power than what a 85w magsafe can provide (estimated around 100w). The geforce 600 series currently already has a full mobile product stack, with old fermi parts filling in the gap between the GTX 660M and GTX 680M, so I wouldn't expect any changes here until they refresh the entire stack with the 700 series, which I doubt will contain any new mobile SKUs if it is released before the rMBP refresh (as GK110 [high performance SKU]is expected to launch early next year).

What else is there left to improve? The screen and build quality are already top end, with maybe a reduction in bezel size being the only improvement I can realistically see happening.
 
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Wait for the 2018 ultra-high-res retina display 11520x7200 "flyingbook pro". That's even better :D

If you NEEDED now, just buy it. If you can wait, then wait for the next refresh. Of course the 2013 rmbp will be better than 2012 and the 2014 will be better than the 2013 and so on...
 
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