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Roku CEO Calls Apple TV a 'Money Loser', Says Product is 'Essentially' an Accessory for iPad
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There wasn't a war to begin with, which is what I was trying to say. Enjoy the rest of your day.
Well, then, Apple needs to put the latest-and-greatest, dual-core (not single-core) A7+ chips in there. Playing almost console-quality(!) titles like XCOM: Enemy unknown is a painful experience on anything below A6 (and it isn't very good on A6 either). This means we'll rarely see high-quality titles on current ATV's, if they at all receive third-party app support.
I have no idea about the chromecast but blue ray players have horrible Ui's when it comes to things other than playing bluerays and is super slow and unresponsive.
- Mirroring
- Playing back videos stored right on the iPad (and not on a destkop / in the iTunes Store)
- being a proxy between UPnP sources and the ATV (not possible natively on the iPad) - see https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1503351/
People use the internet route because it's a lot easier. You probably won't see it this way because your routine is clearly well established, but it sounds like you go through a lot of trouble to maintain your desired degree of "control."
In today's world, convenience demands a high premium.
You ever go up a ski lift and see those signs "not responsible for accidents"? Gullible people believe that, no different here, give this mouthpiece and he will say all sorts of things that are non fact based and people will just follow along like lemmings.
Just another outlandish statement from a CEO who's trying to get the press to pay attention to his product.
I've got both. Roku3 has some cool features, but the GUI is awful, as such, I seldom use it. The headphone jack in the remote is the best feature.
Apple TV Profit Margin?
The first thing I wanna know after reading this is what's Apple's profit margin on the Apple TV? Could it really be in the red?
So I googled a bit and found an old Mac Rumors article:
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/10/05/new-apple-tvs-component-cost-pegged-at-64/
They pegged a $64 BOM back in 2010. While key components like the SoC will likely rise in cost as they iterate, process improvements and economies of scale should maintain a reasonably static cost to manufacture.
So what the hell is Roku's CEO talking about? It looks like Apple is enjoying a ~30% profit margin.
The first thing I wanna know after reading this is what's Apple's profit margin on the Apple TV? Could it really be in the red?
So I googled a bit and found an old Mac Rumors article:
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/10/05/new-apple-tvs-component-cost-pegged-at-64/
They pegged a $64 BOM back in 2010. While key components like the SoC will likely rise in cost as they iterate, process improvements and economies of scale should maintain a reasonably static cost to manufacture.
So what the hell is Roku's CEO talking about? It looks like Apple is enjoying a ~30% profit margin.
I'll have to agree here. I own the latest model myself and I barely use it other than airplay my stuff on the RMBP to my TV, and occasionally it rotates my travel photo collection in the background when friends come visit.
The movies are way overpriced, Netflix is SOO slow on loading and anything else just doesn't compare to, say, a DirecTV package (real TV).
If Apple decides to turn this around this year, I hope they got all "holes" covered this time. It ain't gonna be easy, but its Apple after all, they're masters in surprising their customers, aren't they...
The movies are way overpriced, Netflix is SOO slow on loading and anything else just doesn't compare to, say, a DirecTV package (real TV).
If Apple decides to turn this around this year, I hope they got all "holes" covered this time. It ain't gonna be easy, but its Apple after all, they're masters in surprising their customers, aren't they...
I have 1 Apple TV and 2 Rokus and I use the Rokus far more. Apple TV is largely a one-trick pony: AirPlay, which in a sense is a video-out cable (without the cable) for your iPhone or iPad, which makes Apple TV very much an iOS "accessory".
I also have a Chromecast. I've used it twice. Completely useless.
I used it a couple weeks ago to play the game sketch and guess. Used AirPlay mirroring to push the display to the big screen. Worked really well too as the interface displayed on the TV was slightly different than what was displayed on the iPad (only showed people what they needed to see).
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Wouldn't that 30% be gross margin? Unless you're assuming no other costs than estimated BOM?
Nevertheless, AirPlay is vastly inferior to cabled HDMI / VGA output, even that of the new Lightning adapters. (Unless you stream Apple-native videos, of course, where the original file is accessed and decoded by the ATV itself and not the iDevice.)
There is only one strong point in AirPlay mirroring: in my tests, it proved to be more reliable than doing the same via Miracast (I've tested this on my Nexus 7 2013 and Nexus 4, both running 4.4 KitKat.)
Yup, for non-action / driving games like the above-mentioned guess games, the lag (according to my own, controlled measurements, 130-150ms) isn't annoying.
The same lag, however, makes playing fast-paced action games unplayable. Heck, even the about 80ms lag introduced by the new wired Lightning adapters make pinball games unplayable.
Pretty sure there are plenty of people with Apple TV who don't have an iPad. I doubt that Apple make a loss on this device, probably Roku just not being able figure out how Apple makes them so cheap.
Not really, unless you somehow remember Steve Jobs in those commercials, or false statements about PCs being unprofitable. They compared product ease of use.
If Roku was actually doing "very well", those comments would never have been uttered.
This. The reason Apple can make a profit on the AppleTV is that they use their own home brewed A5, which they get at cost. Due to economies of scale, Apple also gets far better deals on flash memory and other components. It kills Roku's margins that they can't do the same.
Considering this was the 2010 price of these components and the design has been refined since then I would say the BOM is probably significantly less than this now. Apple are probably making around 20% net profit after other costs which is smaller than the margins on their other products but still reasonable for a device which is essentially a vehicle for selling iTunes content.
Steve Jobs did allow for making those ads (or may have even had some influence on their content).
.. and depicted typical PC users as unhip, old(er) and clumsy - see the discussion at https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1718329/