My 9 year old PC has a higher score. It has an i7 2600 (non-K).
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Rosetta 2 Benchmarks Surface From Mac Mini With A12Z Chip
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While there are many members on these forums who know about technology in general, are long time Apple users and generally work in IT industry, there is also same amount of absolutely clueless users who don't grasp basics of computer technology and those are the ones coming up with ridiculous statements or out of place ideas on how Apple hardware or software should be performing and working.
Well, this chip was released this year and not two years ago. And this benchmark does run native ARM code (translated from x86 but still native). There are many caveats here for sure but let's be accurate.
the baseline CPU for geekbench 4 is different than geekbench 5. so you can't compare the two without some scaling.
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also this thread is a perfect example of why apple didn't want benchmarks being run on these systems. the average user is nowhere near sophisticated enough to understand the meaning of a particular benchmark.
Is your 9-year-old PC running pre-release software on an underclocked tablet CPU under emulation?
People only got these machines loaned to them after signing a contract where they specifically agreed that they wouldn’t do this. You excuse breaking that with an eye roll and an “of course”? Huh. Remind me never to enter into any contracts with you.Yea because no one was going to do that
So, I bet THIS is the real reason behind Apple giving up on all 32-bit apps with Catalina.
Most of my professional friends will not upgrade to Catalina until there are NECESSARY apps that require it.
It was a bad move to abandon 32-bit apps instead of encouraging developers to upgrade their apps. (A constant annoying popup when launched would do it... customers would complain about the popup until it's upgraded.)
Most of my professional friends will not upgrade to Catalina until there are NECESSARY apps that require it.
It was a bad move to abandon 32-bit apps instead of encouraging developers to upgrade their apps. (A constant annoying popup when launched would do it... customers would complain about the popup until it's upgraded.)
To be fair, Apple launching Macs with 2-year old underclocked hardware is very typical of Apple.
Your 9 year old PC is running native X86 code With hyper threading and likely consuming 10-15x more power to do so.
Not really. Its a 2 year old chip with the last graphics core enabled after they got their improved yields. Its still an A12 cpu. That is 2 years old. A13s are a year old. If the Mac's use an A-branded chip, they will be A14. Or they could get a new designation as they get more desktop features.
"It's not a basis on which to judge future Macs, of course, but it gives you a sense of what our silicon team can do when they're not even trying," he continued. "And they're going to be trying.”
- Craig Federighi speaking about the DTK hardware.
- Craig Federighi speaking about the DTK hardware.
You must not get into a lot of contracts if you think that everyone is trustworthy. At least, for your sake I hope you don't.
What you heard about THIS chip? You know the chip in the Dev Kit Macs is not the one that will ship in the production machines, right?
Oh duh, sorry, of course, had a brainfart about the baseline. Looks like it was the same device though. I know that this device is not going to be anything like the Apple Silicon that will be in the new Macs though.
The translator must make conservative conversion in order to ensure that the produced ARM code is correct. Translating machine code optimally is in many ways more difficult than translating the source program written say, in C or Swift. Not only is the machine code targeted to a different architecture, so some patters just won't be optimal for the ARM host, but
the high-level language code contains more information that signals the developer's intent. There are other issues, like certain indirect operations, which often can't be translated directly and most likely have to be trapped and handles specially.
Not to mention that Rosetta has to be fast, so it can't spend too much time optimizing.
But again, these first results are encouraging. Not only is the performance quite good, but, more importantly, it can run a complex x86 software suite like Geekbench correctly! Which is quite a feat.
"Apple hasn't been trying for years, but we pinky swear we will soon!"
- Craig Federighi
I guess that explains some things.
That's just ridiculous. My system consumes about 230 watts under full load, which is maybe 3-4x more.
Nice GPU!
I don't know why people aren't noticing this, those are really good numbers for an iPad chip with emulation on beta software.
Again shows Intel's GPU's are absolutely pathetic.
Why would someone run geekbench and not something like a Pi test or something else they could run through he command line and would know is native. It would surprising that these devs with dev kits have such a nominal understanding of actual computer science if I didn't see it daily.
surface pro x - Geekbench 5 CPU Search - Geekbench
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Looking at another x86 Emulation, I can call that Microsoft does much better x86 emulation than Apple.
According to Geekbench, Surface pro x through it x86 emulation scored the same number as their native.
OnePlus 7 Pro Benchmarks - Geekbench
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Even considering all those caveats (for the sake of argument lets add 30% to those scores) It still seems weak. Way below of Renoir 15 watt chips. And don't forget Renoir is Zen 2, Van Gough will be Zen 3 with 20% performance jump in IPC, plus extra 200-300Hz frequency because of 7NM+ mature node.
That's obviously just a PR talk. Unless he is really trying to say that they were not trying to design the best chip for iPads.
More to the point, sacrificing performance to reduce watts on a desktop is insane. If that's the argument Apple plans to make, one of low power, it's just another sign that Apple has lost the plot.