Roundup: Hands-On With Touch Bar on New MacBook Pros

[friedmud]

You said price wasn't a concern, mainly because You weren't the one paying for it - it's a concern for me, even if I make money using it. But I get that it's a hard concept to understand if you are spending somebody else's money...

I said that it's not a concern if the ROI is good... regardless of who's buying it.

 

[dv8r]

I said that it's not a concern if the ROI is good... regardless of who's buying it.

No that is what You said the second time. And the ROI would always be less (the price of the device) for me if I pay for my own stuff. The main point seems to elude You, so let me try again: Argumenting that price doesn't matter because You don't pay for it Yourself is, at best, arrogant. My point is that You should maybe have a little respect for the people who need to find those money within their own budget...

 

[friedmud]

No that is what You said the second time. And the ROI would always be less (the price of the device) for me if I pay for my own stuff. The main point seems to elude You, so let me try again: Argumenting that price doesn't matter because You don't pay for it Yourself is, at best, arrogant. My point is that You should maybe have a little respect for the people who need to find those money within their own budget...

My original post was directly about ROI. In my case it was my company purchasing the laptop and I did the calculation to show that it would pay for itself if it "saved" me 20 hours.

That is the situation I'm in... so I shared it as an example of how this machine (which is being painted as too expensive here) still makes sense in the case where you are a professional, making money from it.

The only other thing I said is that if you buy this machine (yourself or your company or anyone) and you're not making money using it... then you did it wrong. There are better, cheaper, options for Facebook and cat videos. I still stand by that.

So where, exactly did I say that this machine only makes sense if you don't buy it yourself? All I said is that there should be a value proposition to buying this machine and I gave an example of my situation where the value proposition is easy to make.

Many people who are self-employed, or are otherwise purchasing the machine for themselves to conduct professional business on can still relate to my story. They simply need to do the same type of calculation I did.

The point is: a small price increase doesn't significantly alter the value proposition for a machine that's going to generate work worth hundreds of thousands / millions of dollars...

 

[alex0002]

Dude, what are you doing running a nested VMware environment on a laptop? Studying? Good luck with your studies if true.

The 286 comment was an exaggeration but I'm thinking this laptop doesn't fit your use case. Unless work is paying for it. As a vi man I imaging you already have every short cut already committed to memory making the courage bar redundant.

I'm not sure where you would expect to see nested virtualization, as it's not going to be as efficient as using a single level of virtualization in production. But you might use nested virtualization for testing, before you push your changes into the production environment.

There isn't really a 'shortcut' that performs the function of an escape key in vi and you're using escape all the time in vi. You can use some sort of kludge to remap escape to something else, which is messy, because then vi on the macbook pro works differently to vi everywhere else.

Remapping keys might be o.k. if you needed to use a chromebook or something like that. But why pay a premium price and then need an inconvenient workaround to do your work?

The 13 inch with escape model has the right keys, but needs more ports to be a good option.

 

[yeknommonkey]

Magical?

Jokes aside, if I was in charge, I would have made the entire trackpad be a context-sensitive screen. Use of know-gained while developing iPhones and iPads would have made the process relatively simple to implement. That would have justified the price increase. Maybe.

This product release screams short term strategy to retain profitability without considering the long-term implications of pricing beyond reach a significant proportion of current mac owners.

yeah i basically wanted a mini iPad pro stuck in there, so its like a built in mini cintiq you can use with the pencil. i agree that i don't really want to 'touch' the laptop screen, but i also don't really want/ need a £800 iPad AND a £2500 laptop..