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I'm not saying they should or shouldn't. But if Samsung decides to release their best products in their home country first and the US later on (which was the case with the GS3 - the US release was later than other countries) I'd have no problem with it.

The difference is the US has the largest economy in the world. So it behooves international companies to get their products to the US earlier than it might a US company to get its products to the rest of the world.

That being said, Apple has been beefing up their international releases and I'm sure the maps, LTE and other features not as good internationally as in the US will get better. That's all. Wouldn't you as a company want to cater to your biggest consumer base first if you had to choose?

There is a massive difference between releasing to the US first and then to the rest of the world (which we all agree would have been reasonable); and releasing to the whole world when the product is only usable in the US (which is what Apple have done).

It is compounded by the fact that the new maps are completely integrated into the OS. So all other apps that use Apple's maps API will get lumbered with the same inferior maps. There will be many map apps that will not work as well, and in some cases not work at all, as a result of this upgrade.

It will also put people off from updating to future versions of iOS after they upgrade to iOS6 and find out that it was a massively retrograde step for maps.

The bad publicity will also take some shaking off. As an example the most read story on the BBC website at the moment is about how bad the new maps are.
 
I suppose then you're also suggesting that Samsung, Nokia, Nintendo, Sony, Toyota, Mercedes, etc should do the same upon releasing products to the US?

Haha

Yeah Mercedes and BMW have released their new vehicle range in the US but the wheels only drive on certain terrain and the handbrake's in the trunk

Seruously though, if you asked Apple I think they'd say they were a global company, not a US company - I'd argue they sell more devices outside of the US
 
APPLE IS SIMPLY NOT THE BEST ANYMORE

Small screen
Poor Maps
Poor voice recognition (Siri)
Poor cloud services and integration (mail, calendar, contacts, documents: all far better elsewhere)
No SD card reader
Only 64 GB memory at max (elsewhere you can have 64GB internal + 64 GB MicroSDXC = 128 GB and you can even add 50 GB free for 2 years on Dropbox = 178 GB...)
Many carrier locked functions that are freely available on other smartphones (VOIP, USB router etc)
No wireless charging
No universal USB connector
No USB3 nor Thunderbolt (sadlol)
New connector making you change all your periphericals just for no reason (who will use the ugly adaptor, certainly not me!)
Need to jailbreak and generally to wait for a jailbreak to be available to have SBSettings available as well as other key features...
Who knew that what made a phone the best was based off what YOU wanted in a phone.
This is not about what I wanted in a phone.
This is a partial list of the severe flaws the iPhone 5 comes with given its competition.
I consider that for must of the rest of what some Android phones can now provide, iPhone 5 also has it, so I didn't bother to mention.

I always thought users picked what they wanted and that there could never truly be a "best phone."
Serves you right. However Apple claims to release the best iPhone, the best iPad, the best iMac everytime they release a product.
When you sell tenths of millions of items of a product, and that your ultimate goal is to sell it to every single (relatively wealthy) human being, it means that you intend to match the common needs of everyone. Hence there has to be a "best" smartphone: the one that has everything and that works perfectly (and, ok, you have to let people know and think they need it).

Wireless charging has been and continues to be a failure. The technology is nowhere near ready for true widespread use.
There was a time when Apple used to be the first to include new features, and to have them work properly.
Now either there is no new feature (wireless charging, NFC, 4G over european networks...) or they don't work (Maps, Siri, iMessage...)

SD cards are a huge matter of preference. I've used Android and Apple phones and don't miss my SD card slot at all. It was really just a sell point for people that think they need to have 10,000 pictures, songs, movies and apps on the phone. In other words people that bloat their phone with many things they rarely use.
Seriously, I'm talking of having 128GB of pics, vids, music etc. (instead of 64 GB and most often only 16 GB) and you're telling me people don't need that ? Try and find a hard drive or a computer that has less than 1 TB !
My itunes is over 100 GB, I have over 100 GB in pictures, I don't know how much vids.
I think a lot of people have that much. More and more will have and will have more and more.
They have to choose and only put a part of what they would like on their Phone.
A good phone will be able to contain all you have on your computers and NAS.

Small screen makes no sense if you are saying this is the first phone that hasn't been the best by Apple, considering the screen is bigger than the last iPhone, which also didn't have the biggest screen on the market. I personally don't want a phone with a 5" or 6" screen on it. If I want something that big I can buy a 7" tablet. I prefer a phone for my pocket and not a carrying bag.
It's about features and user experience: bigger screen better experience, that's what iPhone 1 came with.

The 4" are just a feature to make believe they are not behind competition or not that much. In fact surfing experience won't be any better than on a 3"5 display (when surfing vertically, which is the most common).

This bigger screen wont allow bigger fonts when surfing: since retina, nothing has been done on that matter, period. And they are stuck with backwards compatibility like M$ has been and because of what they declined.

A bigger size is mostly an advantage up to about 5" (if it allows bigger fonts) : any smartphone, even S3 for instance (4.8") can hold in most trousers pocket, any jacket pocket, or wherever you deem right to hold it...

At that size no need for a tablet anymore, I don't want to carry a bag.

Your statement on jailbreak is funny as well considering that if you want to compare it to Android, 90% of the phones out there need rooted and to have a custom rom in order to even have the most recent Android OS.
YOUR statement is funny.
I don't want to compare to Android phones, you're the one bringing the subject.
I'm talking about features Apple doesn't release while they're out there (SBsettings and lots of Cydia stuff).
BTW and for the sake of comparison:
- no way to upgrade an iPhone nor an iPhone 3G to iOS5.
- lots of features missing on iOS5 and 6 for an iPhone 3GS or 4...

You may call supporters fanboys
I've never called anyone fanboy here. I am myself a supporter of the best products I can get, and used to support Apple products around me.
Now I can't anymore more as far as smartphones are concerned, or at least I have to be very balanced.
but to me your post sounds like someone that wanted Apple to copy another competitor in the field when it came to design and that is something I am glad Apple didn't do.
To YOU, but I don't know what from.
We don't expect Apple to copy anyone.
We expect from Apple to surprise us with exciting new features. Things better, faster, bigger, thinner, more convenient... things that are great !
Sadly in no way is iPhone 5 (nor iOs6) great.


PS:
I see you agree with me on the crappy new connector.
 
What about the other issues

Not to be that guy but I live in the DC area and the Maps App works just fine, its actually easier the the google maps app for driving around here because of the swipe interface. That said, I'm not to please with the phone interface being changed to white of the music interface being changed to white. I thought the previous designs worked just fine. It worries me this trend or stance of advancement and progress for the sake of progress. It wasn't broken don't fix it, yeah tweak it add some enhancements but change it for what reason. You can say the same about Maps it didn't need to be changed they could have oh I don't know worked with GOOGLE, I know how dare I say something like that. Honestly this is the first update to any of apples OS programs that I honestly don't like and I'm happy that my first gen iPad can't install it lol. I prefer the darker interface with the blues instead of the lighter interface with oranges. Also I think the buttons in music were made smaller, I'm not sure.
 
Today I've made more test with the new Apple maps app.

I've tested the route finding using public transportation with the Google maps app. The results are great. In seconds I have a route telling me where to walk to pick the bus, the time left for the bus to arrive, the bus númber, the route, the stop, and time of arrival.

I've notice that the new Apple maps app also has a public transportation button. This surprised me and I wanted to test the feature.

I've selected my route and clicked on the public transportation and... ups...

I can believe that instead of the route, there appears a list of 3rd party public transportation apps to install them from the AppStore! This is is a big botched job!
 
Today I've made more test with the new Apple maps app.

I've tested the route finding using public transportation with the Google maps app. The results are great. In seconds I have a route telling me where to walk to pick the bus, the time left for the bus to arrive, the bus númber, the route, the stop, and time of arrival.

I've notice that the new Apple maps app also has a public transportation button. This surprised me and I wanted to test the feature.

I've selected my route and clicked on the public transportation and... ups...

I can believe that instead of the route, there appears a list of 3rd party public transportation apps to install them from the AppStore! This is is a big botched job!


You're so right - and at the top of the suggested App list in the UK is....Navigon costing....£47.999!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is one of the most expensive apps on the store!!
 
Did anyone else lose their ability to use character counts i Messages? Won't work, tried turning it on and off and restarting my phone.
 
Did anyone else lose their ability to use character counts i Messages? Won't work, tried turning it on and off and restarting my phone.

It works, but you have to write more than one line, while you are in the first line the counter (to the right, above the "send" button) will be hidden. Once you are in the second line of the message the counter will appear.
hope this serves....
 
There is a difference between being far from perfect and being totally unusable. Apple Maps belong to the second category.

For me, the maps app has been totally usable thus far. I am really enjoying the Yelp integration (with store hours). Most of the "major" complaints come from outside the US...which does suck....but I for one am having no issues in California.
 
I use it on a daily basis. Don't you? Don't everybody?
Maybe you don't need a map where you live, if it's a small town and you never need to go outside, but over here it's a necessity.

I was actually asking what it was, specifically, about Google maps that you needed that Apple's map doesn't have. But since you replied like a condescending jerk I no longer care what you think.
 
you should get some general knowledge, learn history and geography and know that many countries do better than the US, especially in Europe son.

the US isn't by any means the ideal of good quality of life son.


Do that not have sarcasm in Europe 'Dad'. Relax.
 
Multi-Language Screen reader

The screen reader in iOS 6 can now speaks multiple languages like English, Russian and Chinese at the same time. Great for multilingual people.
 
I was actually asking what it was, specifically, about Google maps that you needed that Apple's map doesn't have. But since you replied like a condescending jerk I no longer care what you think.
Sorry if I sounded rude but I took your post as it saying that nobody uses Maps anyway.

About your question, I expect a map to be at the very least accurate, and so far Apple Maps have been beyond appalling.

Shibuya station handles roughly 2.5 million passengers on an average weekday. If it wasn't enough that most of the info about its surroundings have disappeared or are completely wrong, the station itself is nowhere to be seen on Apple Maps. It maybe not obvious but the picture below shows the exact same location on Google Maps (mobile version) and the new Apple Maps:

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Satellite imagery as its finest:
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The search function can't even locate Narita airport, the ninth-busiest air freight hub in the world.

A couple more example here: http://www.japanmobiletech.com/2012/09/ios-6-maps-fail-in-japan.html
 
It was never going to match reality, not after we learned that Apple decided to just license TomTom data instead of doing the massive, massive work of mapping their own cartographic data as Google had done. TomTom's data is, as we see, not up to the task. Hell, it's barely up to the task for major cities.

What's amazing to me is that Jobs didn't assemble a stealth mapping team right after Android was announced and he went thermonuclear. Instead, I guess he just thought he could buy his way to success. Not typically his style. Maybe he had lots of defeatist engineers telling him it would take too long to start from scratch. But hell, whatever they would've come up with would still be better than the junk TomTom has.

When Apple first announced their own Maps, I thought, there's no way they will try to compete with Google Maps unless they've developed a solution that is at least twice as good, let alone just showing a me-too solution. So to see what is finally here is truly shocking. Truly. I'm not sure I've ever seen Apple fail this badly at a piece of software.

Sadly I tend to agree. The good thing, however, is that there is going to be enough backlash that it WILL improve, one way or another. Status quo won't stand.
 
Server error? It's wifi...

yeah... when your phone connects to a network it checks to see if it has internet connectivity by trying to ping one of apples servers. something had gone wrong with the server which meant the phone thought there was no internet connection which meant it tried to load a log on page thinking maybe you were at a hotel or something.

who knew lol.
 
yeah... when your phone connects to a network it checks to see if it has internet connectivity by trying to ping one of apples servers. something had gone wrong with the server which meant the phone thought there was no internet connection which meant it tried to load a log on page thinking maybe you were at a hotel or something.

who knew lol.

Oh, makes sense. Mac OS doesn't do that, oddly.
 
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