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Mail is a big disappointment as far as I'm concerned...No change in features or appearance really, and I'll be sticking with Thunderbird as my primary email client.

Does anyone have a good suggestion for a lean, quick and powerful email client (like Eudora used to be...?). I have not found Thunderbird to be much better; and although I had had high hopes for MailForge (which might actually be going into a more efficient development process now), it is, in my opinion, far from being usable...
 
That wasn't the argument at all. Read Gizmodo's article then speak (ex. iMessage fullscreen).

Messages fullscreen fills up my entire screen. I think he was showing a screen shot of messages BETA running on Lion. So...
 
It's all part of the dummification of Operating Systems in general and OS X in particular.

What's even more strange is that a significant percentage of Apple customers have never used a physical address book or calendar. Some may not even have seen one so the metaphor is completely lost on them. I wonder how many users know that the call icon on the iPhone is an old telephone receiver.

The touch type marks on F and J on the on-screen keyboard is one of the more funny ones. Or tragic, depending on your viewpoint. In my opinion, the GUI designers should take a clue from Jony Ive and remove the clutter.
 
Read a real review and not something from a source with an axe to grind with Apple. The Ars review by John Siracusa is, as always, very comprehensive and deep. He's fair (he wasn't totally crazy about Lion) and very detailed.

Arstechnica and Anandtech in my book are two 'must have' links in ones bookmarks because they're of a dying bread that actually not only review but dive deep into the nitty-gritty details. DrPizza (Peter) from Arstechnica does a damn good job at reviewing Microsoft products and gives Windows a good 'smack down' when required (read the Windows 7 review and the lack of 'fit and finish' when it comes to icon alignment etc).

As for Gizmodo - who the hell would go to that site anyway? honestly - it is a train wreck with a forum filled with half baked illiterate morons that are only a notch above the trolls on 4chan's /b/ section.
 
Posted this in the "3 million downloads" thread, but figured I'd cross post here too (probably more relevent in this thread anyway).

Upgraded our two machines this weekend:

2010 MBP 13" (late)
2.4GHz C2D
6GB RAM
Running Snow Lep (from the original OOTB factory install)
Installed from a USB stick (16GB, partitioned to bootable 8GB, flashed from the original source download)

15-20 minutes initial install setup (from USB), ~30 for install, ~10 minutes final app conversions (mail, calendar, etc.)

2011 MBP 15" (mid), running Lion
2.3 i7 quad
16GB RAM
Running Lion (from a clean install)
Installed directly from download (via the App Store)

3-4 minutes initial setup (from HDD), otherwise about the same

Both went flawless, both are running smoother,network/web access is notably faster. Notifications look great, email, cal, tasks, etc., all synced up across devices, AirPlay is _very_ slick from my machine (the '10 machine doesn't support it).

My machine did require me to update my Parallels from V6 to V7, though I might wind up moving to VBox (my V7 is just a trial for now).

Herald was a plugin for Mail, not compatible with 10.8 mail, +but+ nicely replaced by the new notification system.

Little Snitch was also flagged as incompatible (and disabled), LS3 is being previewed, should be out soon (looks slick, using the notification system too).

I completed ALL updates on the two machines before moving to the ML update. That included an EFI update, for the 15" the 10.7.4 and patch, Java, etc.

I confirmed a TM backup and a full image backup as well before proceeding :)
 
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I can't wait to hear all the people complaining about this release and how they're sticking with Snow Leopard. Happens every release :rolleyes:

I don't know what others are complaining at each new releases. I've never complained since SYSTEM 6 some 20 years ago. In fact, I'm one of those early adopters. I even got System 7 before it was publicly released. And ever since, I would install the latest releases (and any updates, however minor and however unstable) the moment they're released.

But I did stop at Snow Leopard.

My reason for not going forward is because most of the new features are those of iOS's.

I think iOS is great and I own several iPhones, iPads, and iPods all with latest iOS allowable on the devices. Though IMHO, those features are meant for portable devices not so much the desktop.

While using iPhone or iPad, I jump amongst apps all the time perhaps due to the nature and limitation of the devices. And Apple cleverly takes care of those issues with wonderful features.

But while at my desk, I'm not constantly switching apps, nor am i busy updating my FB status or sending messages. And honestly, for those tasks I could easily and efficiently do so with an iPhone that's always next to me. The same with playing MP3s and watch videos. iPod and iPad do the jobs better.

It's not that I'm against these features. I welcome them. But I'm looking for improvements that are more relevant to desktop environment.
 
I'd actually LIKE to upgrade to Mountain Lion on my MBP, but the lack of a Rosetta option pretty much kills several software packages plus a few Intel games and I don't like losing software I like/use (especially EXPENSIVE stuff like Photoshop, even if it is an older version) just to upgrade "gadget" crap in the OS. I'm more concerned about losing software support in the future. But then this will probably be the last version of OSX that will work on my 2008 MBP anyway, so, I dunno.

If/when Apple ever releases an updated USB3 enabled Mac Mini, I will get to try it out by default, I'm sure. But they seem to be dragging their feet on getting that update out as well, so who knows how long that will be (they might have the next version of OSX out by then seeing they update the OS now almost as often as the freaking hardware. I'm surprised it's not embedded one-off yet).
 
Amin! The fact that you can only agree/like or have neutral opinion on comments, but not dislike..... its PRETTY STUPID!!

Admins.... bring back the comment downvoting! People should be able to dislike a comment! Sorry for the unrelated subject.

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Please, for your own sake, get over yourself.

It's ok child, there's foster homes where you can get the love and support you crave.

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You do not need to. Windows is compatible with everything. OS/X? Not so much.

That gave me a good laugh, touche ;) :D

With the move to "cloud," such as CRMs and all sorts of previous office suits moving browser based though it's making things more compatible across the board.

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Actually I think it a perfectly reasonable question to ask a manufacturer what their products are compatible with.

If a camera lens manufacturer made lenses and did not know which cameras their lenses were compatible with what would you think?

You just reinforced my whole point, for that I thank you, well done.

Canon has no idea what Tamron lenses are compatible with their bodies, however Tamron knows what Canon bodes are compatible with their lenses. It's Tamron's responsibility to know what bodies their lenses work with, it is not Canon's responsibility.


In-fact I consider it good business practice that both Adobe and Apple know how their products are compatible with each other ready for release. It provides a better customer experience.

Adobe has had each DP release to take their responsibilities seriously, the incumbent couldn't give a flying rats backside for the "customer experience."

Adobe CS6 USD $700, Adobe CS6 AUD $1300. "Good business practice" right there.
 
Stopped at Snow Leopard, it works well, drivers are stable and all my applications work. Drivers for most of my professional equipment barely just came out for Lion. This yearly race to the top that forces you to buy new versions of many software is ridiculous.

Lion and Mountain Lion with their iPod generation features can go to hell in my opinion. They could easily upgrade Mail without making you buy their new OS.

Anyway, is there really one feature worth upgrading for? I certainly don't see any in the list that is worth losing my system stability.
 
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Really good price at 19.99.
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Only problem is that it will force many people to upgrade all the older apps.

So, 19.99 is really more like $ 500 plus.

Hadn't thought about that. AFAIK all my apps moved over from Lion

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A week in, and two things are just bugging me no end. I logged both on the support page.

1) I can't drag-select multiple messages in Mail. Stupid feature to take away. :mad:

2) Adding a comment in Preview now brings up a cutesy little faux post-it; my cursor hovers over this post-it and has to be moved before I can continue scrolling the main document. Since the post-it itself is never scrollable, it makes no sense why document scrolling is disabled. :mad:
 
Well, after spending time with ML, I can say. It feels well...exactly what Windows 7 was to Windows Vista, most of the same as Lion...but it actually well...works. The majority of stability issues, memory leakage ( still kinda on safari ), and most of well, I'm to lazy to list them.

I'm happy to say I'll be on my iMac alot more than I used to, its back to being something I actually turn on :)
 
It's ok child, there's foster homes where you can get the love and support you crave.


Oh no, you made me cry!

Just kidding. Instead of using the abundant free time you have to insult others, how about learning a little thing we call respect for other people?
 
ML is better than Lion (from which I upgraded back to SL), but it saddens me that I have to use an inferior OS just to stay current with security. In bringing iOS back to the Mac, Apple have amanged to effectively shaft gestures and the GUI for contacts, calendar, and (to a certain extent) mail, is IMO inferior.
 
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I don't know what others are complaining at each new releases. I've never complained since SYSTEM 6 some 20 years ago. In fact, I'm one of those early adopters. I even got System 7 before it was publicly released. And ever since, I would install the latest releases (and any updates, however minor and however unstable) the moment they're released.

But I did stop at Snow Leopard.

My reason for not going forward is because most of the new features are those of iOS's.

I think iOS is great and I own several iPhones, iPads, and iPods all with latest iOS allowable on the devices. Though IMHO, those features are meant for portable devices not so much the desktop.

While using iPhone or iPad, I jump amongst apps all the time perhaps due to the nature and limitation of the devices. And Apple cleverly takes care of those issues with wonderful features.

But while at my desk, I'm not constantly switching apps, nor am i busy updating my FB status or sending messages. And honestly, for those tasks I could easily and efficiently do so with an iPhone that's always next to me. The same with playing MP3s and watch videos. iPod and iPad do the jobs better.

It's not that I'm against these features. I welcome them. But I'm looking for improvements that are more relevant to desktop environment.

Please can you list out all the features that you don't think fit well for the desktop environment and please explain why?
 
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