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Rumors of Disabled Intel Atom Support in Mac OS X 10.6.2 Unfounded?

MartiNZ said:
Of course there are plenty of bugs left, but the last few seeds have shipped with 'no known issues' according to the threads here, and that is the criterion they use rather than no more bugs ... or we would never see the update.

I would rather they release it with no known issues sooner, so that I could get back to complaining about the same bugs I've been complaining about for 5 years, in the hope that maybe 10.6.3 will be the one. Like if 10.6.2 doesn't fix the stack sorting bug or the iTunes dashboard widget ... can't wait to find out –*I almost won't be disappointed either way :).
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Ahhhh, "no known issues" in a thread on Mac Rumors They seeded something else after the first one with "no known issues" I suspect someone found an issue and it was a showstopper.... That is the point of seeding out to developers. They are beta testing to confirm there are no show stopping or serious bugs before release. They rushed 10.6.1 and it backfired. They should have just released a flash update.
 
cjmillsnun said:
They rushed 10.6.1 and it backfired. They should have just released a flash update.
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Why do you say it "backfired"? Fixing the Flash issue was an immediate priority, so they just put it out with whatever other bug fixes they had ready at the time. That probably meant 10.6.1 came out a bit earlier than intended, which makes the time until 10.6.2 seem longer by comparison. But two and a half months after the initial release is about the usual timeframe for the 10.x.2 update.
 
FakeWozniak said:
Don't you think that if someone published idiot-proof instructions on how to download Snow Leopard from a bit torrent, then install it on a $300 low end machine, that the millions of folks buying genuine Apple hardware and software would feel upset about this. The difference seems to be most people have morals.
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As an owner of a Dell Mini 9 Running OSX, I would like to say that not all off us in the Hackentosh community are using torrented illegal copies of the operating system. I installed from a retail Family Pack disk that I used for my two 20" iMacs, my daughter's MacBook Pro, and my old reliable PowerMac G4. (which contradicts your earlier generalized point that the hackentoshers don't want to pay the premium for "real" Apple hardware).

Are there those who download a torrent and put it on a cheap machine? Yes, but I don't think that they are a majority of the hobbiest out there. Almost all of the other Dell Mini OSX86ers that I have had contact with used a purchased retail disk and also have a "real Mac" as well.
 
FakeWozniak said:
A little harsh on the "dumbest logic". I care what I pay. The Saturn division of GM did really well because people cared what they paid relative to others. Don't you think that if someone published idiot-proof instructions on how to download Snow Leopard from a bit torrent, then install it on a $300 low end machine, that the millions of folks buying genuine Apple hardware and software would feel upset about this. The difference seems to be most people have morals.

You seem to be one of those folks that feels entitled to things that either don't exist or are not yours. You can buy Snow Leopard, but good luck with it on non approved hardware.
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When you're at the pharmacy and you pick up Tylenol, do you get mad at the person next to you who picks up a cheaper no-brand painkiller? Do you think what they're doing is immoral? As long as they actually pay for what they're getting, is it really a problem that you ought to concern yourself with? There's really no reason to hate their decision, especially considering it's the exact same thing chemically as your Tylenol. This true both in the case of painkillers and Apple computers/generic PC hardware. Remember, a Mac these days is a generic PC in a pretty box and an Apple logo on it. So what if they install it on a low-end $300 box? Perhaps they don't need all the power an iMac or even a Mac Mini has to offer? Or maybe they want their netbook that Apple doesn't offer?

Out of curiosity, what is your stand on the Palm Pre and iTunes thing?
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I say it doesn't affect me ;) That's also a slightly different case, in that that's a major company letting their users tether to iTunes, not a few hobbyist hackers building cheap Macs.
 
FakeWozniak said:
Don't you think that if someone published idiot-proof instructions on how to download Snow Leopard from a bit torrent, then install it on a $300 low end machine, that the millions of folks buying genuine Apple hardware and software would feel upset about this. The difference seems to be most people have morals.
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What about people like me, who own several real Macs, including an intel iMac, MacBook Pro, etc. but also have a Dell mini 9 with a store-bought copy of OS X 10.5 Leopard on it? I'd gladly buy a 9 inch Apple laptop if it existed. I'm not carrying around some huge 13" thing all day, even if it is as thin as a MacBook Air. When I want real computing power, then I'll take the MacBook Pro. When I want to remote into my Windows box or my iMac, or update a trouble-ticket from in the field, I want something small and light. And I'm not going to run Windows on my laptop. I spend too much time fixing Windows for my job as it is. Running 10.5 on my Dell mini is a perfect combo for me. I hadn't even planned to install 10.6 on it.

As for the EULA, it is not a law. It is not a contract I signed. And it would fall flat if ever tested in court. I see no issue there. I paid for the software; I instal it where I want; I don't expect support from Apple. Just like installing CP/M on my Apple ][ in 1981; why would I expect Apple to support that?
 
iigsie said:
However people that do not pay for software are literally the scum of the earth, and deserve to be locked away
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Oh, definitely. Well, them and jaywalkers. Rape, murder, and genocide are nothing compared to software piracy.

(I mean, I think people shouldn't steal software, but as crimes go, it's pretty low on my list of things to worry about -- somewhere around people sneaking into movie theaters.)
 
SimonMW said:
No, it probably isn't. But Apple don't want to make cheap as chips bargain basement products. That sort of complaint is like complaining that Bentley don't make a low carbon family runabout. It isn't their market, and they don't want to be part of that market. Otherwise they would have made one.
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That argument is a little weak.....the company that designs and makes Bentleys also makes Skodas in case you have forgotten. That's good business sense.

What Apple doesn't want to do is make products with a profit margin of less than 50%.
 
Doctor Q said:
Are we now having an unfirestorm
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Don't worry, I'm sure someone, sometime, somewhere on the planet will have an iPod explode in their pants and we'll have new headline news.

Wait, that "explode in their pants" part didn't sound right...
 
Another frustrated Mac fan

Just following on from a couple of recent posts - I am along-term Mac user, from system 6 on. I currently have two Mac Minis (and a third retired), a black MacBook, my two student daughters have new MacBooks each and my youngest daughter has (but only borrowed) my beloved 12" Powerbook. My study is littered with a Pismo, Lombard, 6320, 6400, LCII, a couple of Colour Classics and even three Powerbook 180's. I have heavily invested in Apple stuff - oh yes, there is the AppleTV and about seven iPods in the family.

So when I have to carry my work PC (Dell laptop) with me (with no extra software allowed, no Skype or movies, restricted Internet access) on business trips I want to take my own small personal computer with me - what the 12" used to be used for. Now I have a Lenovo S10, running Snow Leopard and Windows 7 - the latter only because Skype will not work with Snow Leopard.

Am I really ripping Apple off for using one of my family licenses to do this? I don't want a tablet, I want a small laptop with good battery life - something that fits nicely on tray tables in planes and trains, starts up quickly in lounges, and something I can do my personal stuff on - including typing e-mails or some work files. Steve does not want to give me one, unless he thinks I should use an iPhone (work phone is a Blackberry), so I am a part of the Hackintosh community. Is it so bad to want to to demonstrate to the world that Apple and Mac OS can make even PCs look good.
 
GSMiller said:
Even if "support" was disabled for the Atom processor, it is against the EULA for Mac OS X to be installed on non Mac hardware, so people shouldn't be shocked.
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It's an assumed risk. They certainly shouldn't complain.
 
iigsie said:
That argument is a little weak.....the company that designs and makes Bentleys also makes Skodas in case you have forgotten. That's good business sense.

What Apple doesn't want to do is make products with a profit margin of less than 50%.
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Making a profit margin of 50% on a computer used to be good business sense too, until the Dells and the HPs of the world started to bleed each other dry in a race to the bottom for the now-meaningless title of "market share leader." Soon you'll be able to get a free Dell PC with 10 box tops from your favorite cereal.

Oh wait, solid profit margins are still good business sense. Most PC manufacturers have just forgotten what they learned at their childhood lemonade stands.
 
tirerim said:
Oh, definitely. Well, them and jaywalkers. Rape, murder, and genocide are nothing compared to software piracy.

(I mean, I think people shouldn't steal software, but as crimes go, it's pretty low on my list of things to worry about -- somewhere around people sneaking into movie theaters.)
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I think it's a bit worse than that personally, just because there is essentially no harm done other than revenue lost for the company concerned doesn't make it okay. How would you feel if I stole $50 from your wallet, and justified it with 'it's only a few bucks'. Piracy on the PC side is probably responsible for a significant portion of the viruses that spread.
 
crick3r said:
PLEASE DELIVER 10.6.2 NOW !!!
I don't want to believe that they are still spending any time around atom, while we need the update NOW ! I want to use safari again !
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What the heck are you talking about? I haven't stopped using Safari!
 
LagunaSol said:
Making a profit margin of 50% on a computer used to be good business sense too, until the Dells and the HPs of the world started to bleed each other dry in a race to the bottom for the now-meaningless title of "market share leader." Soon you'll be able to get a free Dell PC with 10 box tops from your favorite cereal.

Oh wait, solid profit margins are still good business sense. Most PC manufacturers have just forgotten what they learned at their childhood lemonade stands.
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If apple made a netbook, even for twice the price of a HP or Samsung or whatever, it would still sell in high numbers. Fact.
 
iigsie said:
If apple made a netbook, even for twice the price of a HP or Samsung or whatever, it would still sell in high numbers. Fact.
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But only to the faithful and possibly at the expense of other, possibly more profitable, sales. Twice the price of the Samsung is approaching the price of the cheapest Macbook.

The netbooks that enjoy the highest sales are those that are perceived to offer the best value, not necessarily the best designed/looking or most coveted brand. Acer's netbooks massively outsell Sony's, despite the latter's undoubted cachet.

To get the most out this market, the price needs to be pitched at a level such that it becomes an additional purchase, rather than replacement purchase.
 
afishertx said:
As an owner of a Dell Mini 9 Running OSX, I would like to say that not all off us in the Hackentosh community are using torrented illegal copies of the operating system. I installed from a retail Family Pack disk that I used for my two 20" iMacs, my daughter's MacBook Pro, and my old reliable PowerMac G4. (which contradicts your earlier generalized point that the hackentoshers don't want to pay the premium for "real" Apple hardware).

Are there those who download a torrent and put it on a cheap machine? Yes, but I don't think that they are a majority of the hobbiest out there. Almost all of the other Dell Mini OSX86ers that I have had contact with used a purchased retail disk and also have a "real Mac" as well.
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Exactly, I'm in exactly the same situation as yourself.

The Dell Mini 9 is a brilliant solution for having an ultraportable laptop running OS X. Frankly I'd take it over a MacBook Air any day even at the same price just for the sheer convenience of it's size.
 
Scottcop said:
I for one am shocked, shocked I tell you, that information on a random persons blog turned out to be untrue, shocked.

Still said random person has picked up alot of free advertising, hopefully the "web" community will learn not to repost someones random ramblings, haha who am I kidding!
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I wouldn't call it untrue. If you read my post I said in the current developer build it was disabled, I never said the final. However OSXDaily took my post and ran with it, and so did every other site out there. I didn't think anyone gave a damn, tbh.
 
Arcady said:
As for the EULA, it is not a law. It is not a contract I signed. And it would fall flat if ever tested in court. I see no issue there. I paid for the software; I instal it where I want; I don't expect support from Apple. Just like installing CP/M on my Apple ][ in 1981; why would I expect Apple to support that?
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The Psystar case is interesting. I went to groklaw and read up on that a few weeks ago. I have mixed feelings about EULAs myself. For sake of argument, lets call the EULA void. All that's left is the implied warranty for what is in the Snow Leopard box. It clearly explains requirements on the box, and non-Apple hardware is not supported. So basically, you have a cup coaster and some packaging.

The point is that Hackintosh folks don't have any legal recourse if Apple changed the OS to block unsupported platforms. This is very similar to the Palm Pre arguments. Apple doesn't mind "hacking" when there is no significant $$ impact to the company, but when it shows up on the radar, they will trade a little bad publicity to recoup some of the lost $$.

Check out this story:
http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=2009090111072988

Also, interesting read about Microsoft making a CPM card for Apple IIs. I'm sure the support from Microsoft would be sufficient! :)
http://www.apple2info.net/hardware/softcard/softcard.htm
 
skate71290 said:
lol i know safari is well good... just flash makes it wank... and i dont like firefox :( :mad:
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There are rumours that 10.1 of Flash is going to make some major improvements (as claimed by Adobe) but I doubt it - Flash will still be the single largest vector of suckage on a platform. It sucks on Mac OS X, it sucks on Linux, it sucks on OpenSolaris - and even on Windows when using Firefox it sucks. I really hope that there is a hell so programmers from Adobe inhabit the lowest depths for throwing such a heap of garbage on the rest of humanity.
 
I can't believe the uproar over this not working on an Atom processor. What has me concerned is that it won't work on my G5 processor.
 
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