S E R E N I T Y

princealfie said:
Uh, Back to the Future is lame-o so it's not sci-fi to me. And the Matrix is an action movie, not sci-fi.
Plus where in the**** is Solaris? That's the most important sci-fi movie of all time!!!
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Matrix is an action movie, but it DEFINITELY has a strong sci-fi element to it (moreso in the second two movies).
 
Hey, we all have favorites from when we were a kid and weren't too critical! I did like the Black Hole.
 
I'm very happy to be able to resurrect this thread (again) but there's a tiny, unconfirmed rumour of a Serenity sequel. <WARNING> If for any reason you haven't seen the film, the link contains a massive spoiler.</WARNING>

Link to Empire Online
 
LethalWolfe said:
If it's anything else like the typical Joss Whedon experience Serenity will get under-marketed by Universal, released on too few screens, ho-humed by the critics, but still do good business in the theater, expand the current Firefly cult following, and make an absolute killing on DVD.


Lethal
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Just had to go back and re-read the beginnings of the thread... I think LethalWolfe is psychic... but of course he knew I'd say that...

Badradio said:
I'm very happy to be able to resurrect this thread (again) but there's a tiny, unconfirmed rumour of a Serenity sequel. <WARNING> If for any reason you haven't seen the film, the link contains a massive spoiler.</WARNING>

Link to Empire Online
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I saw this yesterday, but was hoping to find more confirmation/denials...

The audience seems to only have grown in the last 2 years and given that Joss managed to get the movie in on-time and within budget, and box office take was almost break-even, if not profitable, you'd think that Universal would be jumping at the chance to make a sequel.

Given the amount of crap that Hollywood puts out that fails to even come close to the budget at the box office, the Serenity Sequel would be an almost guaranteed money maker. Maybe not a blockbuster, but why not put out a moneymaker rather than risk a loss?
 
Great news, I hope it's true! I agree with the article though, since Tudyk's character died in the movie, why would he be involved? Furthermore, since Book died as well and Serenity herself was essentially destroyed, I'm curious how they would handle a sequel. Lastly, the movie, to me, seemed like a rush to the final chapter of the story. Firefly left so much potential on the table in terms of storylines, character development, unsolved mysteries (i.e. origin of the reavers, Blue Sun, etc) and the movie seemed to capture what should have been the culmination of 4-5 good years of the original TV show. So as I said, the movie seemed to be a showing of what was meant to be - along with how it was all designed to end.

Don't get me wrong, a sequel would be amazing, I'm just curious how they would pull it off. If Whedon had truly planned for a trilogy from the get-go, part of me thinks he wouldn't have done everything he did in the (first?) movie...
 
~Shard~ said:
Great news, I hope it's true! I agree with the article though, since Tudyk's character died in the movie, why would he be involved? Furthermore, since Book died as well and Serenity herself was essentially destroyed, I'm curious how they would handle a sequel.
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To answer your spoilerific questions I'll have to continue in white (or fafafa)

Joss has repeatedly stated that any sequel to Serenity would have the full cast, including Wash and Book. Whether this means his trilogy is being out of order (prequels instead of sequels) or just lots of flashbacks, or some other brilliant Joss plan we don't know. Serenity was pretty much rebuilt by the end of the movie (minus one piece) so the ship isn't a problem.
 
I don't fully understand how the US networks operate - given the number of quality shows that get cancelled due to low numbers, or the wrong demographic of viewers - but it seems with Serentity/Firefly that they have a known quantity on their hands, and wouldn't tv/movie execs jump on that? The line about reissuing the dvd as the first versions sold out sounds like spin to me, but they did do great business on both the series and the movie. They just need to find the right balance of cost/profit.
 
I hope it happens! Creator Joss Whedon himself gave some small hope in an interview this August:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=29908&newsid=0

So give me hope for a Serenity II

JW: Hope for it probably rests with this DVD. (re: The Big Damn Collector's Edition)

So then you're saying we've got a chance?

JW: Well it's probably not being discussed in boardrooms right now, but the fact of the matter is if it makes enough money sooner or later they say "hey, this is money!" Also there are paradigms that are much cheaper, it doesn't have to be enormous. But on the other hand I'm happy to say all of my actors are working very hard. It's not the same situation where we all threw in for pennies because we had to finish telling that story. Now that situation might be harder to bring about.


Re how the networks operate: IIRC, Firefly DID draw a big audience DESPITE Fox airing out of order so it made no sense. But it drew a very WIDE demographic, and advertisers had been promised (ridiculously) a narrow one: young males. When a show delivers a different demo, there are no second chances. Pretty absurd all around.

I'd rather see the show come the Sci Fin channel as a new series, but more films would be great too.

The movie did seem awfully fast-paced in that in condensed what Whedon planned for the entire second half of Season 1, and maybe more. But look at his other series: there's always more story to tell.
 
nagromme said:
The movie did seem awfully fast-paced in that in condensed what Whedon planned for the entire second half of Season 1, and maybe more. But look at his other series: there's always more story to tell.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say there is always more story. I've seen series run into the ground, where cancellation was more of a mercy killing than anything.

Yes there is more Firefly story to tell. Can't see them bringing Wash back in any real meaningful manner. Perhaps some flashbacks mixed in with an attempt to find something from his past. Perhaps Zoe is knocked up. As for Book, don't know. Him I can see responsible for some type of ghost in the machine, mocking the alliance. Nothing really that plausible. I am sure the movie would do well, perhaps better than the first. I know I could watch Summer Glau all day.

Found this the other day
http://filkertom-itom.blogspot.com/2007/09/050-im-on-firefly.html
 
Joss Whedon said:
But on the other hand I'm happy to say all of my actors are working very hard. It's not the same situation where we all threw in for pennies because we had to finish telling that story. Now that situation might be harder to bring about.
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This is another concern that I'd have, as I wonder how hard it would be to pull together everyone again...

nagromme said:
The movie did seem awfully fast-paced in that in condensed what Whedon planned for the entire second half of Season 1, and maybe more. But look at his other series: there's always more story to tell.
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I'd go so far as to say the movie condensed and provided what would have been the end result of a good 3-4 seasons of potential plot and character development actually. The origin of the Reavers, the real truth behind River, etc. - I think having all of that play out over just one season would have even be pushing it! ;)
 
I'd definitely prefer to see the story continue on tv, and that might be a safer bet for the studio. Regardless of how well the movie did in theatres, Firefly really sells on dvd, so ad revenue (from the correct demographic) coupled with dvd sales has to make it worth it. And Nathan Fillian is doing well in movies, but not so well that he's priced out of the market.

I'd even be happy with the story continuing in comics (see Buffy season 8 :)) if it weren't for JW's lack of ability to stick to a writing schedule (see Astonishing X-men...:() Just anything to keep the story going until it finishes at a natural, instead of a corporate, ending.
 
MongoTheGeek said:
I wouldn't go so far as to say there is always more story. I've seen series run into the ground, where cancellation was more of a mercy killing than anything.
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This is why I have no qualms with RDM ending BSG after Season 4 if he so chooses and why Stargate Atlantis should not have lasted 10 seasons. :cool:
 
~Shard~ said:
This is why I have no qualms with RDM ending BSG after Season 4 if he so chooses and why Stargate Atlantis should not have lasted 10 seasons. :cool:
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I couldn't agree more. BSG has been great, and heading towards a KNOWN ending at a known date will make it just what it should be.

Whedon's own series, though, have shown an ability to keep evolving into new forms that stay interesting (partly through intentional shifts in the casts). I look at the arcs of the major characters of Buffy, and they really do have 7 years of evolution, not just more-of-the-same. And Firefly was much more polished and well-crafted than Buffy or Angel (much as I enjoy those shows), maybe due to the cast's chemistry or because of all the prior experience Whedon had going in. Firefly really hit the ground running. I feel sure that Firefly has years left in it--if the opportunity were to arise.
 
nagromme said:
I couldn't agree more. BSG has been great, and heading towards a KNOWN ending at a known date will make it just what it should be.
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Agreed. On the one hand it'll be a shame to see it go, but on the other hand I'd rather see it end on a high note, unlike its predecessor. ;)

nagromme said:
Firefly really hit the ground running. I feel sure that Firefly has years left in it--if the opportunity were to arise.
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I think so too, but it's a shame that the decision to bring it back couldn't have been made before Serenity. I think without revealing and executing the major events in Serenity (the Reavers' origin, the truth behind River, killing Wash and Book, etc.) the show would indeed have had a few years of potential to build up to those culminations. Ups and downs in Wash and Zoe's relationship, the slow development of the Simon's and Kaylee's relationship (and Mal's and Inara's for that matter), more revelations regarding Book, Blue Sun, the Reavers, etc. etc. After Serenity though, some of that has almost been "artificially/hastily finalized" and a whole new set of storylines, etc. would need to be developed.

Ah well, doesn't matter to me - I'd love to see another Serenity movie or Firefly TV show. :cool:
 
~Shard~ said:
After Serenity though, some of that has almost been "artificially/hastily finalized" and a whole new set of storylines, etc. would need to be developed.

Ah well, doesn't matter to me - I'd love to see another Serenity movie or Firefly TV show. :cool:
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I think the problem with a whole new storyline is that it just wouldn't be the same. Same characters, same ship... what's stopping you from swapping Mal and Zoë for Han and Chewie, Serenity for the Millennium Falcon.. you need to keep the story line, otherwise it'll lose part of the appeal. But if you keep the storyline, there's not much left to do..

I think JW really cornered himself, as he was trying to simply finish his story with the one chance he had, and never thought that there could ever be more then that.
 
I'm sure there's plenty left to do. River's powers (and mental state) are not yet fully unexplored, she may know still more secrets, Blue Sun is still around, Inara's mystery is unsolved, Mal and Inara's "relationship" is open-ended, the Alliance's evil domination continues, their desire to attack Mal & crew is not gone, the Operative could return, Jubal Early's story could continue, Niska's story certainly seems intended to continue, the Reavers aren't necessarily gone as a threat, Saffron could well be back, Book's past could come up again as a post-death mystery, the former Browncoats are a faction we've heard little about, there are all the ideas Joss had that we know nothing of (not all of which have been made irrelevant now... and then we have the possibility that Joss has the talent to create new directions!

The characters and the universe are the main pull for me and always were--not just Zoe/Wash's marriage and the specific story about River and the Reavers that the movie focussed on.
 
More rumor fodder....

Here's a link to the article that was apparently the source for the link above. Has a little more info, but has been edited to emphasize that this is just a rumor of talks about another movie, based on sales of the Collector's Edition DVD. (Not trying to rain on anyone's parade -- I'm as hopeful as anyone that this comes true!!!)
 
nagromme said:
I'm sure there's plenty left to do.

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The characters and the universe are the main pull for me and always were--not just Zoe/Wash's marriage and the specific story about River and the Reavers that the movie focussed on.
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Excellent summary and good points - you give me added hope! :D :cool:

sandman42 said:
Here's a link to the article that was apparently the source for the link above. Has a little more info, but has been edited to emphasize that this is just a rumor of talks about another movie, based on sales of the Collector's Edition DVD. (Not trying to rain on anyone's parade -- I'm as hopeful as anyone that this comes true!!!)
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Thanks for the link - speculative rumors and high level talks are better than no rumors or talks at all! ;)
 
~Shard~ said:
I'd love to see another Serenity movie or Firefly TV show. :cool:
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I would like to see Serenity II made.

Just pick up where the first one left off. I think that there would be plenty of options on what they could do. There are lot's of loose ends they could explore.

I would like to see the operative reappear as well. Liked his character.
 
sushi said:
I would like to see Serenity II made.

Just pick up where the first one left off. I think that there would be plenty of options on what they could do. There are lot's of loose ends they could explore.

I would like to see the operative reappear as well. Liked his character.
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Yep, definitely lots of potential as nagromme also alluded to! :D
 
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