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* burntoutjoy, in his superman form, pulls the thread back onto the rails *

I have been using Safari full-time since the first betas. Yes, it does crash (but not too often for it to be mightily annoying), and some (*very* few, for me at least) web sites don't display properly. The only site that actually hasn't functioned is Fileplanet, but then again, who'd want to touch that if they can help it (and that's fixed now anyway). Oh, and the sucky, sucky Odeon UK site. Which sucks very badly.

But that's it! I haven't used any other browser on my iBook for aaages, and it's fine. Version 1.0? No. It's just a little too buggy for v1.0. Iron out them, and great, go for it. My biig wants are more funky tab control (an 'Always open target="_blank" links in new tab' option) and being able to right click on bookmarks in a folder on the Bar would be funky-as (though that's really a Cocoa problem, rather than Safari). Java support is also dodgy in the extreme. And making the Download Manager nicer would be a bonus.
 
Fun at your expense--**HUMOR ALERT!!! HUMOR ALERT!!!**

Originally posted by mnb
This is just all part of the 'start up mode' that is in place at Apple. One wonders when they'll ever finish starting up. I've worked for alot of startups and most of them had more commitment to design up front (as opposed to on the fly) and product quality than Apple has for the last several years.

Safari was clearly not ready. Given the alternatives available (Camino, Mozilla) there was no excuse to rush Safari out.

IMO OS X is still not ready to be called a 1.0 release. Printing and SCSI are both in horrid shape and kernel panics are far too common for a released Unix system. I should get one kernel panic a year on a heavily used system, not 3 a month. Compare the fit and finish of OS 9.2.2 to OS X 10.2.6 and you can easily see that OS X is immature. Sure, it has some great things and some great potential. But that doesn't mean it was ready to ship.

Apple's startup mode is slowly eroding it away. Products like iPhoto that are designed on the fly show that while there are some good ideas in the product, that this type of development process is majorly flawed. iPhoto is a total slug. Even with relatively small libraries. I shudder to think of the experience of a Soccer Mom on even a dual 1.25 GHz with a gig of RAM.

Middle Management at Apple needs to start being accountable for their jobs. If there is a mandate that conflicts with doing their job well, grow a pair, stand up and fight for it. It's your responsibility to do so! There's far too much ostrichism going on, too much burying of heads in the sand. Stand up tall! Open your eyes! Take Action!

Steve needs to STOP micro managing every project. While he can at times be visionary and brilliant, he's far from a UI or design expert.

And for god's sake, stop piling features on a sluggish, unoptimized, rushed out OS. Commit to tightening it up and making the OS FAST. Stop trying to hide speed issues by shipping dual processor configs. You're not fooling anyone. Everone knows OS X is slow. FIX IT. You've got the talent, just commit to the effot. Believe me, it'll be more than worth it.
I just couldn't resist:

This is just all part of the "troll mode" that is in place in these forums. One wonders when you'll ever stop trolling. I've seen a lot of trolls and most of them had more commitment to post planning up front (as opposed to on the fly), not hitting the space bar twice every third space, and post quality than you have for the last several posts.

Your post was clearly not ready. Given the alternatives available (3.1416, rjwill246) there was no excuse to rush it out.

IMO your post is still not ready to be called a 1.0 release. Grammar and spell-checking are still in horrid shape and typos are far too common for a post on MacRumors. There should be one typo a post on a long one, not 3 a paragraph. Compare the fit and finish of rjwill246's posts to yours and you can easily see that you are immature. Sure, your post has some great things and some great potential. But that doesn't mean it was ready to post.

Your troll mode is slowly eroding you away. Posts like this one that are written on the fly show that while there are some good ideas in the post, that this type of writing process is majorly flawed. You are a total slug. Even with relatively simple concepts. I shudder to think of the experience of a Soccer Mom on these forums.

Middle Management in your brain needs to start being accountable for their jobs. If there is a mandate that conflicts with doing their job well, grow a pair, stand up and fight for it. It's your responsibility to do so! There's far too much ostrichism going on, too much burying of heads in the sand. Stand up tall! Open your eyes! Take Action!

You need to STOP trolling in every thread. While you can at times be visionary and brilliant, you're far from an Apple or Mac expert.

And for god's sake, stop piling words on a sluggish, unoptimized, rushed out post. Commit to tightening it up and making the post CLEAR. Stop trying to hide intelligence issues by writing posts that are twice as long. You're not fooling anyone. Everone knows you're a troll. FIX IT. You've got the talent, just commit to the effo(r)t. Believe me, it'll be more than worth it.

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No offense intended--really! I don't think you're really a troll, and I know there are a few things above that are blatantly untrue. PLEASE take it as a joke and not a personal attack. I apologize a thousand times. I won't do it again. But like I said, I couldn't resist. :D

Sorry again
WM

(Note: some typos/spelling errors from the parent post left in for effect. Don't flame me for them--they're there on purpose!)

(Edited three times for clarity and accuracy)
 
Safari's pretty good (I think)

I think Safari is pretty cool, and I'm using it right now. I have several others, but Safari's my primary browser. Also, I think it crashes less than IE, so calling it "Crashy" seems like an overstatement when comparing to IE.
Note: No offense; don't take the icon seriously.
 
We call it crashy because Apple apps just don't crash.

Also it's usually on specific sites, indicating an underlying problem rather than random buggyness.

AppleMatt
 
Is Safari 1.0 rushed?

...I don't think it is...it runs smoother than all the betas before it, the tab surfing feature is nearly flawless, and it's blazingly fast...

...there is one bulletin board I visit where I post politics that often crashes Safari; I always report the bugs so Apple knows what's going on...also, there are two sites I specifically use for my job, but my company is married and screwed by Micro$oft, and the sites run optimally under Internet Explorer (though, in an ugly twist, it's not compatible with IE for OS X for some reason)...

...for the former problem, I just use Mozilla (which runs without a hitch), so I think there's some bad code on that board that Safari can't resolve...as for the latter problem, I experienced the same problem on my PC when using Netscape, so I think it's just a browser incompatibility issue...

...anyway, I think Safari's the best browser I've ever used...more streamlined than Mozilla, more features than Opera, worlds faster than IE, and no where near as infuriating as Netscape 6...I love it!...
 
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