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Safari 1.2 Details

downloading the new safari right now :D the one thing that grabs me from the improvements, is the ability to continue downloads! nothing more frustrating than trying to dl from a slow site and not having it finish.
 
Re: Re: Safari looking like IE...

Originally posted by griz
After switching to IE spoofing, my online banking works. Now that I know this. I will be sure to contact them to ask them to allow Safari users rather than having to spoof everytime I want to log on. The best part of this is knowing that I don't need to use IE anymore. WOOOOO HOOOOO!!! Do the dance of joy!!!!
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I always figure the best option (and gives them a CYA) is:

request that if they haven't been able to test other browsers sufficiently and are worried about quality control and compatibility issues (much better than saying "you're idiots"), use the browser detection code to throw a splash page warning that there may be compatibility issues, with a link allowing you to continue as long as you are aware it may not work.

That gives the company an out, and makes the managers feel better, as it is often a business ("we don't have time to test anything other than IE"), rather than a technical decision to block browsers.

I never have understood why people don't do that in the first place. Why would I want to forcefully exclude potential customers from my site?

A perfect example of what I'm talking about is here:

http://ee.canada.com/Default/Layout/CapScreens/BP_Warrning.asp?skin=VancouverSun&Daily=VASN&GZ=T

(may only work if you're in safari or mozilla/firefox)
 
Originally posted by griz
With no IE updates coming and Safari unable to be used for my online transactions, I get increasing apprehensive about continuing to do "secure" online activity with IE.Safari needs to do everything 100% as well as IE or else it will never completely replace it. Sooner or later people will either be forced to stop doing secure online business where IE is required or we will all need two machines, one with Windows and IE and our Macs with Safari. Sooner or later, someone is going to exploit a gaping hole in IE5 for Mac and we will be forced to fully retire it.
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I deleted IE the first day I got my Mac, I don't think I ever even ran it. For sites that don't work with Safari I always use Mozilla FireFox! with much success. FireFox also has a new name and a new version (used to be Firebird) and a more mac-friendly gui.

Safari is #1 on my Mac, w/ FireFox a close second. When I use a PC, FireFox is the only thing I will touch. Down with IE!
 
Re: what about the new bugs?

Originally posted by tileeater
i've got 2 macs running panther and safari 1.2 both have the same tabs issue. it's impossible to tell if a tab will open or if it will decide not to show up. this is only an issue when 'always show tab bar' is not checked.

occasionally (pretty often actually) the tab bar just decides to stay hidden.
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dude i was beginning to think i was the only one with this problem... it's such a weird bug, especially given that they did like no noticable UI changes in this release
 
Originally posted by DGFan
How do you get the PDF to show in Preview automatically? I would rather not have to hunt for it on the desktop and double-click it.
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I believe if you select any file that ends with .pdf, then get info on it, you will be able to choose the opening application. In that section of the get info dialog box, you can click the button that says "change all." This should make all apps that end with the same file extension open with the application you just chose.
 
Originally posted by DGFan
That's simply the cost of entry into the browser market. I work in the software industry and I know what a bug is - anything software does that doesn't meet the customer's expectations.
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As yes, but you know what your target operating environment will be. A web developer only knows generalities, and must account for them. I work as a web designer in a software engineering company.

I see both side of the coin, really. But making a web site that works in many different browsers has, thankfully, become much easier once Netscape 4.x is abandonded for good... and it is. As for IE 5.5, we have to wait a little longer. Ugh. What a piece of crap that is.
 
Originally posted by andyduncan
I love 1.2, but the decision to make the delete key function as a back button is the bane of my existence. I know thats how other browsers do it, but it's a poor design decision that shouldn't be repeated just because a vocal group of people want it.
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Amen.
 
I still cannot "tab around" in forms to radio buttons, drop down menus etc. - on two Macs (a Sawtooth G4 and an MDD G4).

Is there a pref. setting, because I can't find it...
 
Originally posted by griz
Now if they would only fix the issue of having to use Internet Explorer for online banking. ...
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Works fine for Wells Fargo. The beta didn't.

When I have problems with a web site like this I send them an email and respectfully request they upgrade their code to meet standards.
 
Originally posted by Frobozz
I believe if you select any file that ends with .pdf, then get info on it, you will be able to choose the opening application. In that section of the get info dialog box, you can click the button that says "change all." This should make all apps that end with the same file extension open with the application you just chose.
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That's not what I asked. I asked how I get a PDF to show up in Preview automatically - without double clicking on the PDF. Here's what I want to happen:

1. click on PDF link in Safari
2. PDF appears in Preview

Is there a way to do this?
 
Originally posted by Frobozz
As yes, but you know what your target operating environment will be. A web developer only knows generalities, and must account for them. I work as a web designer in a software engineering company.
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I do too (at least until I go to law school this year! :)

Originally posted by Frobozz
I see both side of the coin, really. But making a web site that works in many different browsers has, thankfully, become much easier once Netscape 4.x is abandonded for good... and it is. As for IE 5.5, we have to wait a little longer. Ugh. What a piece of crap that is.
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I am so glad Netscape 4.x is off the radar. And IE5.5 is not far behind. I had some great pages working in IE5.5 and then one of the MS security updates came along and seriously broke them. At least they still work in IE6!!
 
Originally posted by jholzner
I want Safari to support the viewing of PDFs in the browser and nativly. I use the PDF plug-in now but I can't print PDFs from the browser...I just get blank pages.
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I don't think you know all the features of the PDF-Plug-IN.

When a PDF loads in your browser a little arrow pointing to the right will appear above the scroll bar on the right side. If you click it you will get options to open the PDF (this will open the PDF without saving it to disk to your PDF viewer of choice). You will also have options to save, print, and zoom.
 
Originally posted by DGFan
That's not what I asked. I asked how I get a PDF to show up in Preview automatically - without double clicking on the PDF. Here's what I want to happen:

1. click on PDF link in Safari
2. PDF appears in Preview

Is there a way to do this?
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That's what happens on my machine... you might have to enable in the preferences the "Open 'safe' files automagically after download" option.

Also if that isn't your flavor I'm certain a folder action would do the trick.
 
I get this weird bug in Safari where sometimes the address bar will disappear when I scroll a large page. It still shows up as "on" though, and if you click where it's "supposed" to be, it lets you type an address (but you can't see what you are typing). Apparently the only way to get it back is to quit.

Also, I am pleased that tabbing to non-typing controls only happens when you have "full keyboard access" turned on in the keyboard preference pane.
 
coolsoldier: same things happens to me on occassion... 'cept I just have half an address bar... it's weird... so I just close the window and reopen a new one... no idea why it happens though... can't even remember what site it always happened on...
 
My major gripe with Safari 1.2 is how changes for full keyboard access apparently interfere with emacs-style keybindings for navigation while text editing, even tho' I don't have full keyboard access enabled(!)

For example, if I type control-p while editing this forum reply the "Preview Reply" button/action is run instead of moving the text input cursor to the previous line like in older versions.

It's bad enough not having undo/redo while text editing in Safari. Now it's even more crippled since it's not obvious which unwanted actions may happen when typing certain control characters since they differ depending on the site. And I haven't found a way to disable this annoying new "feature".
 
curious... which bank?

Originally posted by griz
Now if they would only fix the issue of having to use Internet Explorer for online banking.
With no IE updates coming and Safari unable to be used for my online transactions, I get increasing apprehensive about continuing to do "secure" online activity with IE.Safari needs to do everything 100% as well as IE or else it will never completely replace it. Sooner or later people will either be forced to stop doing secure online business where IE is required or we will all need two machines, one with Windows and IE and our Macs with Safari. Sooner or later, someone is going to exploit a gaping hole in IE5 for Mac and we will be forced to fully retire it.
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I've been able to do online banking since version 1.0 beta. Which bank are you with?
 
There's just one feature I really notice the absence of... When I have a whole of tabs open in one window, I often close the window accidentally, when I meant to only close the front tab. I would love a preference that I could tick to say "Ask me before closing a window with hidden tabs" or something like that.

I notice that the Omniweb beta has this feature :)
 
Re: Re: Safari looking like IE...

Originally posted by Spock
Thats funny, and if we ask the game companys respectfully that they will port all games to the mac at the same time it comes out for the PC
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One large difference here - making a web site standards compliant (or even well-formed) from the start enables all modern browsers to access the site. Porting games requires a rewrite of the code specifically for OS X.

..k
 
Originally posted by DGFan
That's simply the cost of entry into the browser market. I work in the software industry and I know what a bug is - anything software does that doesn't meet the customer's expectations.
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In that case, then IE is full of them - for example, I expect it to render a box model correctly.
 
Originally posted by gwuMACaddict
i bank with wachovia just fine with safari... manage multiple accounts and transfer money between, pay bills and use it for an ameritrade account....
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Safari has always worked for me on JP Morgan Chase's banking site, my American Express brokerage accounts, TD Waterhouse and ING Direct. Transfer funds, pay bills, buy stocks and mutual funds.

Seems the problem is not Safari, it's your bank.

I run the web division of my company and our quoting system did not work on Safari. IT said, no big deal, there are so few Macs. I ran the WebTrends browser report and showed my boss that Macs represented just under 11% of our visitors. Quote system works in Safari now. Took our web developer under 2 hours to fix it.
 
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