Safari 12.0 no Java

throwinrocks

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Safari 12.0 installed automatically today and when I went to a site that uses Java I received a Java not supported. Contacted Apple and they said they've had several complaints but no fix.
I reinstalled Java as suggested and still nothing.

If I posted in the wrong area please move it.

Thanks
 

DaveTheRave

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I have a problem. I work for a large bank that allows us to work remotely. I need Java in order to access the desktop PC in the office. Seems like Safari 12 and Firefox do not allow this (and from what I've read, Chrome browser, too).

Is it accurate to say that my only options are to use a Windows PC? I'm trying to avoid an hour+ commute to the office.

Thanks
 

Fuchal

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Try right clicking the refresh button and choose Reload with Plug-ins. This works on some sites that rely on legacy plugins for me.
 

throwinrocks

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It's dead. The only plugin allowed is Flash, and that will die too soon (it's an intentional change, not a bug, if you want Java you have to use another browser).
According to Apple Support Oracle and Adobe play catch up as they release the newer version of Safari before either one is ready. I was told it will probably be after the release of MacOS Mojave that they'll catch up.
If nothing else I just won't update Safari or MacOS. Mojave and Safari 12.0 offer NO benefits.
I reinstalled High Sierra and Safari 11
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I have a problem. I work for a large bank that allows us to work remotely. I need Java in order to access the desktop PC in the office. Seems like Safari 12 and Firefox do not allow this (and from what I've read, Chrome browser, too).

Is it accurate to say that my only options are to use a Windows PC? I'm trying to avoid an hour+ commute to the office.

Thanks
Well I know Windows 7 and IE 11 allows you to run both so if that's the case ALL of my Mac products are high priced and worthless and I'll just sell them and switch back to Windows.
They say everything will be gone by 2020 and we have to use HTML5 which right now sucks. All these websites are in NO HURRY to deploy HTML5 because it's a pain to DEPLOY.
This is why you see so many hospitals still using Windows XP and Windows 7.
 
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960design

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Well I know Windows 7 and IE 11 allows you to run both
Both are deprecated so that is a non solution. Even the developer, Windows, only sends security updates for IE11 and no longer supports Win7 at all.

...so if that's the case ALL of my Mac products are high priced and worthless and I'll just sell them and switch back to Windows.
Good call, except what I typed before. Even Windows has moved to Edge and Win10 ( which in my Mac fan man opinion are pretty good combo ).

They say everything will be gone by 2020 and we have to use HTML5 which right now sucks.
Everything is already gone and no longer maintained. Adobe said they will keep flash deployments available until 2020, it is already deprecated. The Vice President of Adobe sent out a memo about the future ( or lack thereof ) of Flash about 8 years ago. Steve Jobs killed it 10 years ago. Flash is just not mobile friendly.

All these websites are in NO HURRY to deploy HTML5 because it's a pain to DEPLOY.
I've been coding with HTML5 for at least 8 years, no harder to deploy than any other site, actually easier than HTML4.01.

This is why you see so many hospitals still using Windows XP and Windows 7.
I believe this has more to due with the hospitals not willing to deploy a modern architecture and a complete lack of vision and concerns for patient security.
 
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throwinrocks

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Both are deprecated so that is a non solution. Even the developer, Windows, only sends security updates for IE11 and no longer supports Win7 at all.

Windows ended mainstream support but Windows 7 is supported until 2020. My grandsons Dell runs Windows 7 and IE 11 using both flash and java just fine. It also receives updates regularly. I know that for sure because he gets mad having to wait for the updates to install
 

hdrummon

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Safari 12.0 installed automatically today and when I went to a site that uses Java I received a Java not supported. Contacted Apple and they said they've had several complaints but no fix.
I reinstalled Java as suggested and still nothing.

If I posted in the wrong area please move it.

Thanks
I believe that many companies are removing support for Java due to the Oracle's announcement that Java will no longer be free and that it must be licensed starting January, 2019: Oracle has announced that, effective January 2019, Java SE 8 public updates will no longer be available for "Business, Commercial or Production use" without a commercial license.

This means that software developers will have to pay Oracle for the right to use Java in their solution. Most will not do that and are moving to HTML5 instead. Any applications you have that need Java today, will need to be updated to a release that takes this issue into consideration. Most major developers are aware of this and have moved on. Some have not. It would be up to the user to investigate with the developer of their favorite tool what version will have a replacement for Java.
 

RedWeasel

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I believe that many companies are removing support for Java due to the Oracle's announcement that Java will no longer be free and that it must be licensed starting January, 2019: Oracle has announced that, effective January 2019, Java SE 8 public updates will no longer be available for "Business, Commercial or Production use" without a commercial license.

This means that software developers will have to pay Oracle for the right to use Java in their solution. Most will not do that and are moving to HTML5 instead. Any applications you have that need Java today, will need to be updated to a release that takes this issue into consideration. Most major developers are aware of this and have moved on. Some have not. It would be up to the user to investigate with the developer of their favorite tool what version will have a replacement for Java.
This is not quite correct. The Oracle supplied JDK will not be free anymore for commercial application. But there is OpenJDK, which is fully open source and remains free (and is actually the basis for the Oracle JDK).

So developers and companies can absolutely still use Java for free in the future. They will just not get support from Oracle and release cadences will change a bit.

That being said, Java applets and Java Web Start are both deprecated (since Java 9). So any solution still relying on those should certainly think about an upgrade path.
 

hdrummon

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Aug 11, 2008
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This is not quite correct. The Oracle supplied JDK will not be free anymore for commercial application. But there is OpenJDK, which is fully open source and remains free (and is actually the basis for the Oracle JDK).

So developers and companies can absolutely still use Java for free in the future. They will just not get support from Oracle and release cadences will change a bit.

That being said, Java applets and Java Web Start are both deprecated (since Java 9). So any solution still relying on those should certainly think about an upgrade path.

Thanks for the clarification. I have seen some companies using this occasion to move to other options rather than move to OpenJDK. Not sure the reasons but it does seem like an industry transition is happening similar to the Flash move to HTML5.
 
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