You can still use third-part password managers with Safari either through extensions or iOS/iPadOS auto-fill integration. That's one of the major advantages of third-party password managers IMHO: they work across basically all browsers on all platforms.
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Safari Browser to Get UI Overhaul and New Features Including Tab Groups
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You can still use third-part password managers with Safari either through extensions or iOS/iPadOS auto-fill integration. That's one of the major advantages of third-party password managers IMHO: they work across basically all browsers on all platforms.
It is funny that Apple's Safari team did not realise this.
That’s true and I might be forced down that road. It’s just a bummer is all. I gave my feedback with the feedback assistant. So we will have to see what happens. In the mean time I’ll start building a script to get out, as an alternative.
Or they saw and didn’t think they’d need an alternative for those who didn’t want to go that route. It’s the first thing you notice when more than one tab is open. And it’s hard to believe there isn’t an anal retentive programmer/designer at Apple. I’m only mildly OCD and this drives me to aggravation within minutes.
Trying it out on an 11.9" iPad, I've got to say that the new tabs, in practice, are kind of a UI mess
You have several problems; the cognitive overload of "is it an address bar or a tab or both" coupled with the fact that choosing a new tab causes everything to move around a bit, and the colour blending is NOT helpful to distinguishing the tab/location-bar region from the page region. And, of course, you end up with less room for tabs, as they are now sharing space with the location bar.
Still, it's (very!) early days, so maybe you get used to it? But... the initial feeling is that this looks good in a screenshot but may actually be meaningfully worse in-use. (And I learned my lesson last year about installing developer betas of macOS, so I'm leaving that well alone until it is officially released!)
On the positive side, tab groups are a nice feature.
As per my early post, I agree completely. It looked nice in their screenshot, but within a few seconds of using it, I hated it. I know a lot of UI stuff is subjective, but I really do think with this a lot of it is objectively bad. Things moving about the way they do, does add a cognitive load completely unnecessarily. Essentially hiding the search bar amongst the tabs has to go against every logical UX principle.
I'm not even sure about the tab groups, due to the way in which it adds any new tab opened in a session to the current group. Which, given the random nature of so much web browsing, may not be what you want to do.
So for example, I created a little tab group of some news and sport sites. Thinking that could potentially be a good way to bring up a few tabs that I might typically look through over a coffee break. But what I don't really want is for any new tabs I open while doing that to be added to my nicely curated group of tabs.
Yes - basically the currently viewed tab becomes the search box. And its currently styled exactly the same whether its an unselected tab, or the selected tab / search box. The only difference is that it becomes a bit bigger. And the size varies depending on the length of the URL. And I guess it has the three dots icon, but its not very good visual cue, as its the same shape / size / proximity as the favicons.
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Ah, I see. That both makes sense... and seems a little silly. I guess we'll see if it survives the beta or becomes an option that can be toggled!
Unfortunately it’s not customizable for reload button or for accessing the share sheet. You click the three dots you get a small, much harder to read, easy to accidentally dismiss, sub-menu. From there you can access the share sheet.
so from one click directly to an easily readable share sheet to a click, a precarious sub-menu, and a second click, and then finally you have the share sheet.
I have looked at the customize toolbars interface and it’s not there. They want to collapse everything usable into an expanding box and force you to hop around tabs just to search and browse the web.
I wonder what happened to, “it just works”?
Especially the more tabs that are open. Without a dedicated bar it stays expanded but less so when more is open. It’s an oddly weird choice of implementing the UI that doesn’t speak to a good UX.
I’ve heard in the forums people making a claim that Safari ripped off Firefox. But FF didn’t get rid of their dedicated address/search bar.
Can anyone cite a web browser other than Safari 15 that shoves their address/search bar into a series of rotating tabs on a unified bar? I don’t see it in Opera, FireFox, Chrome, or MS Edge. I’m just curious if this was an entirely novell idea from Apple or if they ripped this horrible implementation from someone else.
So if you want to view bookmarks now there is no little menu that they conveniently drop down from. You have to invoke a large sidebar, click bookmarks, and then browse for what you’re looking for. So you get to add two steps while introducing a rather large UI element?
How is this space-saving? It’s not efficient that’s for certain. It just looks less cluttered until you actually need something that isn’t in the search bar. Then it’s a myriad of clicks and menus and gimmicks to get what you want. No more click and done because using a few more pixels to have a persistent menu would be a waste?
I want whatever these guys are giving their bosses. Because whoever’s in charge is accepting a big load of horse squeeze as a good idea while getting paid money to develop it and having Craig Federighi pushing it in a WWDC like it’s innovation. Must be good sh^t they are shoveling in Cupertino.
How is this space-saving? It’s not efficient that’s for certain. It just looks less cluttered until you actually need something that isn’t in the search bar. Then it’s a myriad of clicks and menus and gimmicks to get what you want. No more click and done because using a few more pixels to have a persistent menu would be a waste?
I want whatever these guys are giving their bosses. Because whoever’s in charge is accepting a big load of horse squeeze as a good idea while getting paid money to develop it and having Craig Federighi pushing it in a WWDC like it’s innovation. Must be good sh^t they are shoveling in Cupertino.
Is it just me or are Tab Groups NOT saved when restarting Safari? I spent some time organizing my tabs into groups, and they are all gone when I relaunched Safari. Definitely not what I would expect. I have Safari set to relaunch all tabs and windows when relaunched.
Also, pinned tabs do not show up in Tab Groups. What is the point of a Pinned tab if its not always there?
EDIT: using Safari Technology Preview 126.
Also, pinned tabs do not show up in Tab Groups. What is the point of a Pinned tab if its not always there?
EDIT: using Safari Technology Preview 126.