-----And do I still see the 'Open Current Page in Internet Explorer' button as available to add to the toolbar in there?! That hasn't been relevant since…10.3 Panther, IIRC?
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Safari Browser to Get UI Overhaul and New Features Including Tab Groups
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Yes, heaven forbid any of the interface is visible and intuitive. That'd be so pre-iOS7.
Sorry about that. These are extensions that are added to Safari from Parallels. You can still add extension shortcuts to the tool bar when you choose “customize toolbar”. I work in IT and sometimes if a page renders weird I use this button to push the webpage to IE in Windows 10. I have just a couple of people who hang on to IE optimized pages so it’s still a thing for now. Gratefully this is dying quickly.
Took me a minute to get my head around this, but the address bar is your CURRENT TAB, which is why it is placed in amongst the tabs like that. Pinning it would be like moving your current tab always to the front. I'm not sure what I think about this new UI convention yet.
I got it right away. But if you shift to another tab then that needs to be the tab and search bar that's currently open, because its the one you're currently using. But the search/address bar needs to stay put or it can be a separate UI element like it was before and the search/address bar and the tabs can share real estate. But MacOS isn't an iPhone. I'm not stingy for real estate and I'm not just consuming content. I am learning, working, code-bugging, moving between apps. I don't want to look around for the address bar when I want it. Not even if using command+L will put me in the correct address bar wherever it happens to be floating. I want a single point of reference in my workflow.
Sadly, because I use keychains in iCloud which isn't an API for all developers, but is available only for iOS apps and Safari, I'm held hostage to using Safari or going back to the days of remembering complex passwords for many sites that change for me every six months. To make Safari in MacOS so ghastly to use while having your customers tied to it something like Keychain in iCloud-- it's borderline abusive.
Safari is one of those applications where new UI options can be added in by default and still be switched back by users with toolbar customization and preference options. I can see making them baked in for iOS where screen real estate is at a premium and you're trying to create the most efficient UI/UX choices that you can. But in a full desktop OS environment, there shouldn't be this much controversy when a browser gets a new release. Safari should get faster, more energy-efficient, and more customizable, and not less. It needn't be either a one-size-fits-most scenario.
I agree that it should be possible to add the button (and otherwise there will be a cottage industry in third party “reload button” apps), but I honestly can’t remember when I last personally used it, so I don’t mind it being absent by default.
I don't mind anything being absent by default. Apple is trying some new UI and UX elements and options and that's great. But we all know we pay a premium for Apple products, and I think it's worth every penny most of the time. But I shouldn't have to fight a web browser for usability over aesthetics. It looks like I'm going to have to build an extension just to keep the address bar on the left side of the toolbar because some genius thinks having it slide all over the place with the open tab is a great user experience. But I tend to agree with your posts more often than not. I get the sense that you're sharp and reasonable when it comes to most of the Apple software. But I have a feeling that there's been a battle raging between the UI designers and the UX engineers for the soul of the desktop and applications in MacOS.
I don't know that I'm enjoying the constant push toward aesthetics in the user interface over readability and efficiency in the user experience. I can't remember the last time Safari was released where I found myself actually liking it less the more I use it.
Yep, the thing that’s killing me isn’t so much the address bar moving as it is the “close tab” button that moves with it. I keep looking for it and not seeing it.
I submitted a ticket for the tab element. I think it's a clumsy implementation overall. But I might get a chance to see if I can make Safari 14 run in Monterey just in case. I'd really like to not lose keychain in iCloud. But I don't like the shifting address bar. And now that you mention the close tab button missing now I can't find it and it's also driving me nuts. So I guess, "thanks for that, lol". 😂
I just realized - you can pull to refresh in safari now. That must be why they ditched the button.
Pull in which direction? When I pull up or down it just ends. Back and forth just gesture page back and forth.
Pull down and you should see a spinner at the top, and it refreshes, just like many apps.
It might not work for all sites? Definitely works for me on all the sites I’ve tried.
I've tried it on a few sites without luck. I'm on the late 2019 MacBook pro using the built-in trackpad on Monterey 12.0 Beta (21A5248p) and Safari 17612.1.15.1.14. Are you using a magic mouse or magic trackpad?
I don't know what the issue might be.
Ah, I’ve only tested it on ipad safari. I am too chicken to upgrade any of my macs yet
Yes. I had immediately checked and discovered there is no reload button that can be added at will! It is incredulous to think they would do this by design. I woud love for them to explain their reasoning for not including a single-click reload button and instead choosing to make users click once and click again to reload pages.
I started using Firefox 90a1 Nightly a month ago, and I have found I am using Safari way less than I did. The redesign of Firefox is beautiful and works fast.
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I just opened Firefox and for the implications people are casting toward apple copying Firefox, it doesn’t feel that way. Firefox has a tab bar separate from a search/address bar and it looks clean and light weight whilst also having a predictable and fixed input for addresses and search. It’s a far more usable and well conceived product than Safari 15 on Monterey.
Yes, I took to the new design immediately and I like it. Firefox 89 for public and now 91 for Nightly is stable, fast and all-round delightful. Safari on Monterey feels somewhat raw which is also understandable since this is a new design implementation they are undertaking and I have hope that by beta 2 of Monterey we will have Safari work much better.
Let’s hope so. Because I went to paste in a string to search tonight and I had finished using the tab I was working in. I had to hunt down where the active tab was. It’s either that or open a whole new tab every time and then have to cycle through and close abandoned tabs along the way. It’s so inefficient, so un-Apple like. But here’s hoping and praying. 🤞
There are scripts which can help exporting Keychain login information so that it can be imported in e.g. a third-party password manager.
Alternatively if you don't trust scripts or find the procedure too complex you can do the work manually: it will be tedious but it would be a one-time effort. All third-party password managers I'm aware off have import-export functionality making migrations between them very quick and easy.
I can do do the work. It also seems that iCloud Password will have an Edge extension. It’s not that I want to abandon Safari, it’s really quite fast and use to have a simple and clean UI that I enjoyed. But here’s hoping that they’ll get some feedback from beta testers and the final product is better.