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Safari for Windows Updated to 3.0.1

epochblue said:
Good to know they're on the ball about this one. Perhaps that'll quell some of the nay-sayers....sadly, I doubt it, though.



What? Why would anyone do that? This is beta software...it's going to have bugs...the fact that they're getting such bad press for their BETA software is beyond me.
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Speaking as a developer, I would expect beta software to be a bit rough round the edges. It would appear that Safari (at least on Windows) is *rougher* than expected - hence the bad press.

Just a thought.
 
mmccaskill said:
Not only are they very quick with fixing the security holes, but they fix them before they officially release it, unlike M$.
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Um, they HAVE officially released it. It was released during the keynote, and it's prominently available for download in apple.com.

BTW: How do I update on Windows? There is no "check for updates"-option.
 
I know that right now, Safari makes up about 5% of web browsers running on Windows. I'm not suggesting that with news of bug fixes alone Safari is going to blow up and take over Explorer, or even Firefox anytime soon, but just as a comparison of running software, does anyone know the percentages when comparing iTunes, Media Player, and WinAmp?
 
BKF said:
Agree, but "Secure from day three" doesn't have the same ring.
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HA! Great response.

"Secure from day one" is not a tagline people! It was a marketing line that was added at the end of a long list of stuff on a page. They are indicating that security was not an after thought during it's design. They do not claim that it will never have a vulnerability.

Seriously, it isn't like that line is in your face all the time, or that it comes up in a splash screen everytime you launch the app. Get over it.
 
epochblue said:
What? Why would anyone do that? This is beta software...it's going to have bugs...the fact that they're getting such bad press for their BETA software is beyond me.
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That doesn't fly. They made a huge splash with the release, it's available for download right at their frontpage, they are encouraging people to install it, they are bragging how it's secure "from day one"... And when they find huge holes in it, we are supposed to ignore them because "it's beta".

If it's beta, why are they encouraging people to install it? Why are they claiming that it's secure?
 
Now how about fixing it so it minimizes properly, uses native font rendering, uses standard fields so it can be recognized for tablet input, and stick the file menus up top like in itunes so the title bar doesn't look so fat? :)
 
And, there is another great bug in Safari for Windows:

And the correct page should be (in Firefox):

I seriously doubt that if Apple sees this REAL problem.
 
Still no proxy configuration.

Sure wish they fix the proxy support. I'd love to play with this for a while at work (the only place I have a windows machine).
 
Appropriate screen name

spaz8 said:
So I uninstalled the OSX version for nothin :( When i saw the secuirty issues, i didnt wanna be doing my online banking with the beta.
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If you have ever done any BETA testing for any other organization there is always the disclaimer: "to back up your systems before loading and that we are not responsible for any damage to data or system corruption". So to try online banking within the first week of a Beta release is like Russian Roulette. Usually the first couple weeks of testing should be for interface inconsistencies then when those stabilities are resolved then you should resort to a sandboxed version of your OS to test more secure issues with the new software. If you have a sandboxed OS then you can arrange with you bank to demo their online banking services. You cannot even be sure with IE that you won't compromise your banking transactions because of all the security incursions that that particular program permits. Good Luck and a happy BETA experience.
 
Evangelion said:
If it's beta, why are they encouraging people to install it? Why are they claiming that it's secure?
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For testing sake - really it provides them the feedback they need to fix it.

Microsoft pulled similar tactics with IE7, the results of which were even more devastating for office folks who bit at the download page. Not to say it's right, just saying that foolish methods in this market don't stand alone. ;)
 
studiomusic said:
So, did they send out a buggy beta while they had the fixes in the wings just to show the PC world that they can get a fix out within a few days?
If they did do that, was it worth the bad press for the bugs?
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That thought crossed my mind as well: that Apple knew of these seemingly glaring holes but released it anyway with the idea of looking like the good guys for addressing said holes as quickly as they did.

Then the practical side of me kicked in with a "that's too ballsy, even for Apple."

Neat.
 
It feels a bit more Alpha than Beta really but then browsers work with hostile material (really crappy web pages) and this one is in a particularly hostile environment ;) so some slack is due, I guess.

I had about the same number of issues with Gran Paradiso when it came out as Alpha 1 but it didn't look nearly as good as Safari on Windows.
 
Macworld.com reported this almost two hours ago. Come on MR. Keep your eye on the ball :D

But seriously though, good to see Apple fix their mistakes so quickly. Shame about all the negative press that somewhat tarnished the first Windows release though.
 
Evangelion said:
Um, they HAVE officially released it. It was released during the keynote, and it's prominently available for download in apple.com.

BTW: How do I update on Windows? There is no "check for updates"-option.
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You should have gotten an "Apple Software Update" app also installed on your computer with the Safari beta. I already had it from downloading iTunes and quicktime - so I'm not sure if the Safari beta would install it or not.
 
Evangelion said:
That doesn't fly. They made a huge splash with the release, it's available for download right at their frontpage, they are encouraging people to install it, they are bragging how it's secure "from day one"... And when they find huge holes in it, we are supposed to ignore them because "it's beta".

If it's beta, why are they encouraging people to install it? Why are they claiming that it's secure?
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I'm not saying they should be touting how secure it is and all that (especially while it's still in beta), but what I'm saying is that people seem to be shocked that it's not perfect software. It's in public beta....it's not a final release. You can only find so many bugs in-house....the more nefarious bugs will ALWAYS be found once it's released to the public.

And in no way am I saying these security holes and bugs should be ignored - quite the opposite; they should be fixed ASAP. I'm just saying that everyone lashing out at Apple because they released some beta software so they could get kinks worked out before a final release is ridiculous.
 
Tab bar not displayed with only one tab

With tabbed browsing enabled, the tab bar is suppressed when there would be only one tab.

Is this new to 3.0.1 or was it something that came in with 3.0?

Either way I like it!
 
This has also fixed my windows bug...

the bug was not showing any text within the browser bars, I saw a few other people who expirienced this bug. This now works fine and Im happy with the speed apple updated this.

I think safari for PC is great news for webdevelopers. I certainly welcome the ability to test in safari on my windows work machine.
 
Kenn Marks said:
If you have ever done any BETA testing for any other organization there is always the disclaimer: "to back up your systems before loading and that we are not responsible for any damage to data or system corruption". So to try online banking within the first week of a Beta release is like Russian Roulette. Usually the first couple weeks of testing should be for interface inconsistencies then when those stabilities are resolved then you should resort to a sandboxed version of your OS to test more secure issues with the new software. If you have a sandboxed OS then you can arrange with you bank to demo their online banking services. You cannot even be sure with IE that you won't compromise your banking transactions because of all the security incursions that that particular program permits. Good Luck and a happy BETA experience.
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You are right to a point, but this is a public beta, i.e. designed to get wider feedback from the public about compatibility and stability - not a closed beta as you would have internally with a in-house app for example. Having security issues for which there are already vulnerabilities is a glaring omission and Apple's halo should not protect them from justified wrath.

Even the Mac version has caused problems for people hanging machines so Apple seemed to have rushed something at the unnecessary risk of their end users.

Protection against known security issues and the stability of the installer not to do harm are not too much to ask from a public beta IMHO. I hope Apple has learnt from this otherwise it is going to do long term harm to their claims and credibility that their software "just works".

I've uninstalled it now and luckily had no issues. But will not install Apple beta software on anything other than a test system again.
 
i wont be touching this until after release it caused kernal panics everytime i opened adium on my iMac.... obviously it broke/interefered with webkit.
 
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