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arn

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Safari for Windows?

MacPlus.org reports that Apple may be porting Safari for Windows.

Safari is Apple's own Web Browser, which was released in January - to the surprise of many. Apple has already stated that iTunes 4 will be arriving for the Windows platform by the end of 2003, but has given no indications of porting other applications to the Windows platform.
 

Freg3000

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Wow, this is a little out there. I doubt Apple would ever really do this.....I mean, why would a PC user ever use Safari over IE 6?
 

szark

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Why would a PC user use IE 6? I never have. :)

Choices are always good, but Safari will lose any speed advantage on Windows, since IE is integrated at the OS level.
 

mattfelsen

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for a tabbed browser on windows, you can't do much better than mozilla firebird. aside from tabs, it duplicates a lot of features safari has, like the google search box in the toolbar, which itself is customizable in the same manner as all cocoa apps.

i doubt apple would port safari though, because this means they'd have to port a lot of frameworks which it relies on, such as cocoa and webcore.

we'll see though.
 

testnull

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Believe it or not, this makes technical sense. Why? iTunes 4 uses the WebCore component for its HTML rendering! I doubt Apple seriously wants to do any more work than is strictly necessary, and choosing another embedded HTML engine than ones own mean yet more work.

As far as business sense - I've always wanted a KHTML browser for Windows, and it would surely be ironic to see people using an Apple browser on Windows. Whether that's worth the effort, I can't tell. Maybe if there's a non-deletable "Switch" bookmark in the bookmarks bar and it's the default web page...
 

King Cobra

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Originally posted by testnull
As far as business sense - I've always wanted a KHTML browser for Windows, and it would surely be ironic to see people using an Apple browser on Windows.

Well then it's equally ironic to see Mac users use Internet Explorer.

And don't call me Surly.
 

yumpin yiminy

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Originally posted by testnull
Believe it or not, this makes technical sense. Why? iTunes 4 uses the WebCore component for its HTML rendering! I doubt Apple seriously wants to do any more work than is strictly necessary, and choosing another embedded HTML engine than ones own mean yet more work.


wouldn't they just use whatever is available on windows(or something programmed especially for it) for HTML rendering? It doesn't seem like they would need to port Webcore. They'd just use something else.
That said, I can't see the advantage of giving Windows users another option for browsers. Linux users, yeah. Most browser makers don't make money off of browsers anymore. So, where would be an advantage for Apple? "It runs even better on a Mac?" scrolling across the bottom of every open Safari window?
 

MoparShaha

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I think its nice that apple is trying to reach a broader base with porting various apps to windows, but I don't think its gonna catch on. As a lot of us have read in the "Whats the stupidest thing a PC user has asked you?" post here on macrumors, its obvious many windows users don't have a clue. They'll just view safari as another "lame" apple product. I agree with the previous posters, why should we send our great browswer to the windows world, who probably won't appreciate it as much as we do.

I also question whether sending our apps to the windows platform is a smart move, business wise. One of the great things about the mac is all these wonderful, free apps that are included. So many of my PC using friends wish they had cool apps like the iLife apps. To me, this seems like an incentive to "switch", since such well written programs aren't readily available on windows. If apple starts marketing these apps to windows, where's the incentive to switch? I do understand porting iTunes to windows is necessary to get the Music Store working for them, but still, part of me wishes iTunes was still mac-only. That way many of my PC using friends wouldn't have the benifit of superior apple technology. (mean-spirited? YES!:D)
 

dswoodley

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Given the looming release of iTunes for Windows, does anyone thing that the next version of iTunes (porbably coming out around the same time) will be closely bundled/integrated with Safari - so that in order to use iTunes you had to have Safari as well? Crazy idea or what?
 

Dont Hurt Me

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Mopar is right, this is a good idea by apple and will awaken some pc'eer's out there they can do better. As soon as they fix a few gliches that is such as my weather maps not moving. But all in all i like safari better then explorer. faster and better looking.
 

AntoineG

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Re: Safari for Windows?

Originally posted by Macrumors
can someone post a human translation of the article?

I corrected the mechanical translation as best as I could, I'm from Canada and it's written a little different then we do here... I did not correct error...

I have just received a rather original email, although relatively worthy of confidence, which announces to me proudly that the firm of Cupertino would have in project to release a Windows version of its own browser Safari! Yes you read well, an Apple browser for the cousins. This strategic opening of Safari would come along the Steve Jobs official announcment of the release of iTunes 4 for the operating system of Microsoft at the end of the year 2003 to benefit from the iMusic service launched lately. End of received information.

Why not? This port would not be so complicated to carry out, and would make it possible to open even more the Mac world to the remainder of the informatic world community. It would at least be a big inversion of situation, whereas during several years the firm of Redmond was our principal supplier on the matter (I do not forget Netscape, also...) on our hard disks. As for the veracity of this information which leaves some dreaming? We will see well when Santa Claus comes by the Ethernet cable in a few months. Apple continue to seek its developer to carry iTunes on Windows, it could very well have this mission in addition of carrying Safari, no? _: -)
 

P-Worm

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Whoa, this sure came out of nowhere!

I don't know if this is feasable or not. Part of me begs the question, why would Apple ever do something like this? I thought that internet browsing on Windows was top-notch. Maybe there is a new addition in that GM version of Safari that none of us have heard of. It better be big, because everyone on Windows uses Internet Explorer.

P-Worm
 

Le Big Mac

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Originally posted by yzedf
tabs

And a pop-up stopper you don't have to pay for. And that works. (Sorry panicware)

Microsoft must be reluctant to do that because advertisers would scream a monopolist is excluding them.
 

P-Worm

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Originally posted by dswoodley
Given the looming release of iTunes for Windows, does anyone thing that the next version of iTunes (porbably coming out around the same time) will be closely bundled/integrated with Safari - so that in order to use iTunes you had to have Safari as well? Crazy idea or what?

I don't think that sounds so crazy. I mean I don't see why Windows users would want to use Safari at all (they're not used to doing things themselves) so expect that this must have something we haven't thought of, like tight integration.

This is getting exciting! :cool:

P-Worm
 

testnull

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Originally posted by yumpin yiminy
wouldn't they just use whatever is available on windows(or something programmed especially for it) for HTML rendering? It doesn't seem like they would need to port Webcore.

Need? Possibly not. Would? I would. iTunes is not likely to be a one-off port to Windows. It will be maintained, and maintence of a port is much easier when you share components cross-platform.

Now that I think of it, porting Safari would be trivial anyway - most of WebCore consists of a QT->Cocoa layer - a layer that wouldn't need to be written for Windows, as they could simply use QT for Win32. Alternately, they could use the vestigal remnants of Yellow Box for NT still present in WebObjects to accomplish the same thing.

I've wondered about this before - it would be a great advertisement for Apple, and I hope they do it. If not, here's hoping a KHTML->Win32 project springs up :cool:
 
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