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I hate to be that "guy" but I just tried every test you pointed out on my 32gb air/ATT Air with the link you have and I had no crashes and not even any reloads on macrumors website which was also opened. Nothing reloaded either. I don't get this issue at all. I must just have dumb luck. I'll try again but I vist the apple site a lot and it always behaves correctly.

What the......?????? :confused:

Well reading the responses in this thread, you have a very lucky Air. Just to make sure, you have JavaScript on right? Also try using the Air in landscape mode and try double tapping/zooming in.

Mine does not crash. iPhone 5 running iOS 7.0.4. Zoomed in abs out and double tapped and no crash. I even did it multiple times to make sure.

Hmmm interesting. If iPhone 5 does not crash, most likely iPad 4 will be stable as well. Try surfing the site again in landscape mode and zoom in/double tap.
 
Tab reloading may be somewhat fixed but Safari crashing probably not. I believe every iOS device running iOS 7 will crash Safari going to Apple's own site:

http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/features/

It crashes either when it is loading the website or after it completely loads and try to zoom in/double tap. This page is the ultimate litmus test to see whether Apple finally fixed the JavaScript/Webkit/HTML memory leak in Safari.

iOS 7 consumes too much System RAM (thus leaving low free RAM) and why Safari crashes so much compared to iOS 6. Perhaps 7.1 beta's added more free RAM compared to 7.0.4?

Weird...I'm not seeing the leak. Check my screen shot. Safari. Chrome both open with three tabs. Two hours of browsing. An hour with iCab, playing with Siri, checking email and SMS/iMessages.


Just because it seems so stupid that Apple could actually release software this bad! I mean, my Air that I received today has crashed 3 times using the browser already, I've had it for about 5 hours!

I've had my two Airs for over five weeks and between the two they've not crashed three times. You may want to return yours. If true, you've got a dud. Repopulating a tab isn't crashing. If Safari is crashing, you've got issues.


Holy crap. This is embarassing that Ipad Air cannot open Apple's own website.


It's not embarrassing. It's BS. I've got a 5, 5s, two retina Minis, two Airs and a bunch of 4s. I've tested two Airs, a mini the 5 and 5a (we just went out for dinner and did this little trial). Not a SINGLE device 'crashed'


Mine does not crash. iPhone 5 running iOS 7.0.4. Zoomed in abs out and double tapped and no crash. I even did it multiple times to make sure.

You're not alone. I'm sure there are duds out there, but Apple will, without issue, exchange your problematic, bad tint, crashing iPad for one that works. It's confidence you should have. As there are many tens of millions of folks out there having a fine time, enjoying their iPads. The new A7 models. Best selling in history. Yet we've got a couple dozen folks on the largest Apple fan forum online swearing up and down its a 'problem'. It's. Not. Buy with confidence. Enjoy for a year, sell and retain 80-85-% of your original expense to buy the latest. You'll be fine. It's amazing to me just over three years ago there were literally NO REAL consumer tabs on the market. Today...42 months later, the iPad Air, retina Mini, Nex7.2, HDX....& ute there are those that can't BELIEVE their tabs repopulate (in less than a second on a decent wifi or LTE connection) because they've got to have a half dozen open. There's reading list. Pocket. Instapaper. iCloud. A million ways to save your article. Clear a tab or two. Find a different browser. In FOUR YEARS! This power. Speed. Elegance. For factor. Battery life and oh....yeah, a half million pieces of software for whatever your interests are. Media; music movies and TV shows. Insane some one can complain. To me, as a 42 year old, I'm BLOWN Away by the incredible strides made in the past decade, really since the iPhone in mobile technology. And we are less than a decade in. Brand. New. OS. Yet the whiners and complaining quarterback Sally's sitting in front do their keyboard trying their absolute BEST to 'prove' the iPad is 'broken'. It isn't. It's fine. It runs EVERYTHING in the App Store without hesitation and the displays are absolutely unbelievable in comparison to the CRTs that lived on most of our desks til just 5/7 years ago.

Time to STOP finding weird sites that will crash your iPad. Weird patterns that'll persist an image on ANY display. Obscure corners and tests on the net you'd NEVER EVER cross in 'real life'. If you live in reality, the iPad in wither A7 flavor, the iPhone 5s for that matter...ALL will meet and certainly exceed your expectations. Unless you're an absolute rube that complains about anything and everything you'll be happier than ever. It's a helluva device
 
i should clarify that i had no other apps running when i made the video. So obviously you are not gonna be able to load up this many sites + other apps at the same time.

Crashes are still present in this build, which i hope is the next thing that Apple works on. The site mentioned above with the apple webpage on iPhone 5s crashed safari for me too, which is pathetic.

Tab loading is definitely better for me. I was never able to load 12+ tabs in any other build. The most i was able to run was 6 with the same kind of sites.

So it is not working, if you actually use your iPad...
 
Forgot the screen shots with all three browsers. All three with three tabs. Still over 300MB free
 

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Weird...I'm not seeing the leak. Check my screen shot. Safari. Chrome both open with three tabs. Two hours of browsing. An hour with iCab, playing with Siri, checking email and SMS/iMessages.




I've had my two Airs for over five weeks and between the two they've not crashed three times. You may want to return yours. If true, you've got a dud. Repopulating a tab isn't crashing. If Safari is crashing, you've got issues.





It's not embarrassing. It's BS. I've got a 5, 5s, two retina Minis, two Airs and a bunch of 4s. I've tested two Airs, a mini the 5 and 5a (we just went out for dinner and did this little trial). Not a SINGLE device 'crashed'




You're not alone. I'm sure there are duds out there, but Apple will, without issue, exchange your problematic, bad tint, crashing iPad for one that works. It's confidence you should have. As there are many tens of millions of folks out there having a fine time, enjoying their iPads. The new A7 models. Best selling in history. Yet we've got a couple dozen folks on the largest Apple fan forum online swearing up and down its a 'problem'. It's. Not. Buy with confidence. Enjoy for a year, sell and retain 80-85-% of your original expense to buy the latest. You'll be fine. It's amazing to me just over three years ago there were literally NO REAL consumer tabs on the market. Today...42 months later, the iPad Air, retina Mini, Nex7.2, HDX....& ute there are those that can't BELIEVE their tabs repopulate (in less than a second on a decent wifi or LTE connection) because they've got to have a half dozen open. There's reading list. Pocket. Instapaper. iCloud. A million ways to save your article. Clear a tab or two. Find a different browser. In FOUR YEARS! This power. Speed. Elegance. For factor. Battery life and oh....yeah, a half million pieces of software for whatever your interests are. Media; music movies and TV shows. Insane some one can complain. To me, as a 42 year old, I'm BLOWN Away by the incredible strides made in the past decade, really since the iPhone in mobile technology. And we are less than a decade in. Brand. New. OS. Yet the whiners and complaining quarterback Sally's sitting in front do their keyboard trying their absolute BEST to 'prove' the iPad is 'broken'. It isn't. It's fine. It runs EVERYTHING in the App Store without hesitation and the displays are absolutely unbelievable in comparison to the CRTs that lived on most of our desks til just 5/7 years ago.

Time to STOP finding weird sites that will crash your iPad. Weird patterns that'll persist an image on ANY display. Obscure corners and tests on the net you'd NEVER EVER cross in 'real life'. If you live in reality, the iPad in wither A7 flavor, the iPhone 5s for that matter...ALL will meet and certainly exceed your expectations. Unless you're an absolute rube that complains about anything and everything you'll be happier than ever. It's a helluva device

I'm hoping you are not saying Apple's OWN site is a weird site. Are you using Safari with JavaScript on? Also test it in landscape mode and then zoom in/double tap.

This site even crashed on an iPad 2 running iOS 6 (not all the time though). iOS 6 uses less system RAM compared to iOS 7 and even with 512 MB RAM, it actually uses less RAM when using Safari compared to the 1 GB RAM Retina iPads (3 and up). This is mainly due to 4X the pixels it has to display for Safari:

The results certainly show what I talked about:

- UIWebView consumes a LOT of memory. Retina iPad 3's with 1 GB memory simply can't even load it because the page just won't fit into the memory, regardless of the OS version.

- the higher the screen resolution, the significantly(!) more memory used. This is certainly visible if you compare the iPad2 figures to those of the two iPad 3's. The non-retina iPad 2 allocates significantly less memory when loading / scrolling around the page and, if you don't scroll too quickly, you can actually have a chance to be able to read it entirely.

- the number of pixels of the 640*1136 iPhone 5 is around the same (727k) as that of the 1024*768 iPad 2 (786k). Still, the former consumes almost two times more memory to load / render the same webpage (I would have expected the iPad 2 to consume somewhat more memory because of the higher-res screen). Dunno if this is caused by the iPhone 5 running 7.0.4 and the iPad 2 “only” 6.1.2.

Forgot the screen shots with all three browsers. All three with three tabs. Still over 300MB free

And this is with the Apple 5S website open in Safari? If so, you have a very lucky Air or your using it wrong. ;)
 
So it is not working, if you actually use your iPad...

What are you talking about? I was just testing out the max number of tabs safari can keep without having to reload. A lot of people have mentioned (in earlier builds) about how their tabs would reload when they open a new site/link etc. This seems to be much,much better in 7.1 beta 3. Crashing,on the other hand, is still an issue.

I am pretty sure not a lot of people are going to open 12 tabs in safari plus other apps at the same time. I will test out 3-4 tabs in safari + other apps like netflix, appstore etc. to see if it causes tabs to reload.
 
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http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/features/

It crashes either when it is loading the website or after it completely loads and try to zoom in/double tap. This page is the ultimate litmus test to see whether Apple finally fixed the JavaScript/Webkit/HTML memory leak in Safari.
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Tried it several times in safari and the scroll followed by a double tap caused a crash each time. (iOS 7.04)

Then I came back here to post my results and on a whim I tried the same test in Chrome and Mercury browsers. Chrome crashed on the second double tap. Mercury gave me a low memory warning immediately upon loading the page, then again as I scrolled, and again as I double tapped, then it too crashed. For the chrome and mercury tests, the apple site was the only tab open.

When I came back to safari to finish my post, the page refreshed and I lost my post draft and I had to login again.

There are definitely some problems in WebKit on the 64bit iOS 7 devices.

In all other respects my air seems to be working fine.
 
Hmmm interesting. If iPhone 5 does not crash, most likely iPad 4 will be stable as well. Try surfing the site again in landscape mode and zoom in/double tap.


I did it in landscape mod. Zoomed back and forth multiple times with no crashes.

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I just tested the site with my rMini and it did not crash. I did it in landscape mode and zoomed in and out and scrolled up and down. No crash at all.
 
Well reading the responses in this thread, you have a very lucky Air. Just to make sure, you have JavaScript on right? Also try using the Air in landscape mode and try double tapping/zooming in.



Hmmm interesting. If iPhone 5 does not crash, most likely iPad 4 will be stable as well. Try surfing the site again in landscape mode and zoom in/double tap.

This site just crashed immediately on my iPad Air and iPad 4.
 
Well reading the responses in this thread, you have a very lucky Air. Just to make sure, you have JavaScript on right? Also try using the Air in landscape mode and try double tapping/zooming in.

Hmmm interesting. If iPhone 5 does not crash, most likely iPad 4 will be stable as well. Try surfing the site again in landscape mode and zoom in/double tap.

Yes, I do have JavaScript on. The site works fine for me and some other folks too. This issue seems to be unit to unit as opposed to a product wide problem. I'm also NOT buying the 1 GB of ram being too little for this device. It's perfectly enough. The safari problem is safari and iOS 7.
 
My air as well crashes if I double tap to zoom on the ip5s features page, but I can scroll through immediately and pinch to zoom with no crashes or issues; also it only crashes in portrait - landscape i can double tap to zoom no problems
 
Yes, I do have JavaScript on. The site works fine for me and some other folks too. This issue seems to be unit to unit as opposed to a product wide problem. I'm also NOT buying the 1 GB of ram being too little for this device. It's perfectly enough. The safari problem is safari and iOS 7.

Amazing how the folks who's devices NEVER crash, are invariably the same one's who also stick to the "1 gig of RAM is A-OK" apple party line.
 
So it is not working, if you actually use your iPad...

Luckily, no one actually uses their iPads around here. They just power it on to check for light bleed, image retention, color tint, to see if changing the wallpaper crashes it, to see if apple.com crashes it, you know, productivity stuff. :rolleyes:
 
Weird...I'm not seeing the leak. Check my screen shot. Safari. Chrome both open with three tabs. Two hours of browsing. An hour with iCab, playing with Siri, checking email and SMS/iMessages.




I've had my two Airs for over five weeks and between the two they've not crashed three times. You may want to return yours. If true, you've got a dud. Repopulating a tab isn't crashing. If Safari is crashing, you've got issues.





It's not embarrassing. It's BS. I've got a 5, 5s, two retina Minis, two Airs and a bunch of 4s. I've tested two Airs, a mini the 5 and 5a (we just went out for dinner and did this little trial). Not a SINGLE device 'crashed'




You're not alone. I'm sure there are duds out there, but Apple will, without issue, exchange your problematic, bad tint, crashing iPad for one that works. It's confidence you should have. As there are many tens of millions of folks out there having a fine time, enjoying their iPads. The new A7 models. Best selling in history. Yet we've got a couple dozen folks on the largest Apple fan forum online swearing up and down its a 'problem'. It's. Not. Buy with confidence. Enjoy for a year, sell and retain 80-85-% of your original expense to buy the latest. You'll be fine. It's amazing to me just over three years ago there were literally NO REAL consumer tabs on the market. Today...42 months later, the iPad Air, retina Mini, Nex7.2, HDX....& ute there are those that can't BELIEVE their tabs repopulate (in less than a second on a decent wifi or LTE connection) because they've got to have a half dozen open. There's reading list. Pocket. Instapaper. iCloud. A million ways to save your article. Clear a tab or two. Find a different browser. In FOUR YEARS! This power. Speed. Elegance. For factor. Battery life and oh....yeah, a half million pieces of software for whatever your interests are. Media; music movies and TV shows. Insane some one can complain. To me, as a 42 year old, I'm BLOWN Away by the incredible strides made in the past decade, really since the iPhone in mobile technology. And we are less than a decade in. Brand. New. OS. Yet the whiners and complaining quarterback Sally's sitting in front do their keyboard trying their absolute BEST to 'prove' the iPad is 'broken'. It isn't. It's fine. It runs EVERYTHING in the App Store without hesitation and the displays are absolutely unbelievable in comparison to the CRTs that lived on most of our desks til just 5/7 years ago.

Time to STOP finding weird sites that will crash your iPad. Weird patterns that'll persist an image on ANY display. Obscure corners and tests on the net you'd NEVER EVER cross in 'real life'. If you live in reality, the iPad in wither A7 flavor, the iPhone 5s for that matter...ALL will meet and certainly exceed your expectations. Unless you're an absolute rube that complains about anything and everything you'll be happier than ever. It's a helluva device

Forgot the screen shots with all three browsers. All three with three tabs. Still over 300MB free


What app are those screenshots from? Thx
 
Amazing how the folks who's devices NEVER crash, are invariably the same one's who also stick to the "1 gig of RAM is A-OK" apple party line.

Just reporting my findings. I still believe this issue is more software related than hardware related. We are going to find out soon! The gig of RAM is actually OK for many of us users. At least so far it is.
 
Just reporting my findings. I still believe this issue is more software related than hardware related. We are going to find out soon! The gig of RAM is actually OK for many of us users. At least so far it is.

And the reason why Apple saw no need to increase the Ram. It's fine for millions versus hundreds.

And like I keep stating, I do not see lots of returns regardless of an unusable device that is deficient in ram and whose primary browser is trash. :)
 
Tab reloading may be somewhat fixed but Safari crashing probably not. I believe every iOS device running iOS 7 will crash Safari going to Apple's own site:

http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/features/

I don't know what it means, but this site crashed twice for me using the mercury browser (on a retina mini).

And for those who say that Safari never crashes for them, it used to never crash for me either. Now it crashes quite often.
 
Damn! 1 gb of ram. What a way to ruin a great product. Surprisingly, the solution is inexpensive.
 
Tab reloading may be somewhat fixed but Safari crashing probably not. I believe every iOS device running iOS 7 will crash Safari going to Apple's own site:

http://www.apple.com/iphone-5s/features/

It crashes either when it is loading the website or after it completely loads and try to zoom in/double tap. This page is the ultimate litmus test to see whether Apple finally fixed the JavaScript/Webkit/HTML memory leak in Safari.

iOS 7 consumes too much System RAM (thus leaving low free RAM) and why Safari crashes so much compared to iOS 6. Perhaps 7.1 beta's added more free RAM compared to 7.0.4?

typed it straight into safari and... crash. switched ipad off and on again, loaded it slowly then it gets stuck, not crashing but just stuck, when clicking on the different coloured iphone cases... as i was typing this on my mac the whole ipad restarted. i know i have an ipad 2 but i never saw anything like this in ios6 and my ipad is capable of playing san andreas without problems, no crashing at all, but then it can't load a website. and then they take over 6 months to fix these problems.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm:confused:
 
I don't know what it means, but this site crashed twice for me using the mercury browser (on a retina mini).

And for those who say that Safari never crashes for them, it used to never crash for me either. Now it crashes quite often.

The 5s pulled that up in seconds just typing in the web address using Safari on wifi no less, I will try my Air later when I get home.

Edit: No problem on a slow DSL connection using Safari and the Air either.
 
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The 5s pulled that up in seconds just typing in the web address using Safari on wifi no less, I will try my Air later when I get home.

Edit: No problem on a slow DSL connection using Safari and the Air either.

My retina-mini pulled up the page quickly as well. It was only after I scrolled around and double tapped to increase the size of text that it crashed. The first time I tried it it crashed right away; the second time I had to try double tapping in a couple different places before it did.

It wouldn't surprise me if some people are experiencing this and others are not. My retina mini was fine for months; it's only been recently that the browser crashes so often. My guess is it's a software problem. Perhaps if I deleted everything and installed the OS from scratch, that would fix it.
 
I don't have any problems with this page on my Retina iPad Air. It's a bit sluggish when I scroll and zoom, and other Safari tabs tend to get evicted from memory, but that's understandable because it's a VERY BIG page.
 
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