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Safari Users Unable to Play Newer 4K Video on YouTube in Native Resolution

JoshDoug said:
Apple has hardly support H.265 for years either, H.265 support on Macs will come with Kaby Lake, same as VP9 and the 6S has only been out for a year and a half. I also can't really find anything about H.265 support on the iPhone other than during FaceTime calls, you got any links on that? Would be interesting.
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H265 for FaceTime was only in iPhone 6 (even without S!).

Maybe you were looking in the wrong places?

Just fire up some 4K HEVC content on iPhone 6s and above and you will see ;)


And the world does not spin around Apple only.

My Samsung 4K TV from 2014 works perfectly fine with 4K HEVC/H265 videos.
 
dumastudetto said:
I've literally never experienced what you describe once in Safari - like ever. Maybe you are using some extensions or allowing Adobe Flash to run?
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I don't use any extensions, but I have used adobe flash....maybe I will change that to see if it helps.
 
wilsonlaidlaw said:
I have found in a similar issue, that Amazon Prime will not play original video content such as Grand Tour or movies in Safari, with an HDCP error. The identical content plays with no problems in Chrome. This applies to my 2011 Mac Mini, connected to a full HD TV or a 4K TV. This shows it must be a Safari problem. This has been the case for around 12 months now, so about time Apple fixed it.
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You wouldn't want to watch Grand Tour much more than 2 episodes as it just sucks big time. Once America plays around with a good BBC program it then moves into make believe and stupid acting.
 
Bubba Satori said:
Good morning Tim. Thanks for your input.
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I bet they had thought that changing "sensually smooth" to buttery and "magical experience" to delightful would throw us all off the scent...

Who says that no one from Apple looks at this site? :rolleyes: :D
 
JoshDoug said:
Apple has hardly support H.265 for years either, H.265 support on Macs will come with Kaby Lake
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Not true, Skylake 6700 has support for H.256 decoding the iMac has had it for 14-15 months now. Also the Polaris dGPU in the new MacBook Pros decodes it.
 
Once Macs get Kaby Lake, then I'll worry whether Safari supports VP9. Before that, forget about it. It takes up too much CPU load.

And no, the iMac does not decode h.265.
 
farewelwilliams said:
probably won't happrn due to battery life concerns with using vp9
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It will happen. People will continue to use YouTube and will continue to access higher quality formats. If they have to choose between Safari and YouTube. They'll choose the latter...
dumastudetto said:
Safari is still the world's best browser. Safari alone is one of the best reasons you can have for choosing to use macOS and iOS. Nothing compares to Safari when it comes to buttery smooth browsing experiences, world class security, privacy built-in, and obsessive attention to detail that delivers all of us a completely delightful experience every time.
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...except for this guy. Lol. My favorite part of this dribble was "a completely delightful experience every time," in an article about Safari's complete inability to decode newly uploaded HQ video served on the world's most popular video hosting site. Fail. Regardless of your undying love for this bundle of software code.
 
AppleWarrior said:
Seriously? I love the look of Safari, no doubt. And it is a good browser, but this adoration is unfounded. Safari stops working a lot. If you go to a website it will get stuck on its way there, and you have to shut the browser down and restart for it to operate normally again. And, if you had other tabs open that you navigated to throughout various searches, you lose them and have to find them again. This is extremely frustrating. Other browsers do not do this to me. So, I wouldn't call Safari a delightful experience every time, and that nothing compares to it.
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Since using my MacBook Pro 2015, I have never had any problems with Safari ...so far, and only once in a long while do I see the dreaded beach ball. MacOS only gets better.
 
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AppleWarrior said:
Seriously? I love the look of Safari, no doubt. And it is a good browser, but this adoration is unfounded. Safari stops working a lot. If you go to a website it will get stuck on its way there, and you have to shut the browser down and restart for it to operate normally again. And, if you had other tabs open that you navigated to throughout various searches, you lose them and have to find them again. This is extremely frustrating. Other browsers do not do this to me. So, I wouldn't call Safari a delightful experience every time, and that nothing compares to it.
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Couldn't agree with you more. I'd also add that sometimes I have to hit return twice after entering something in the search bar before it will start looking. Safari has lots of weird quirks that make it yet another sloppy Apple effort.
 
dumastudetto said:
Safari is still the world's best browser. Safari alone is one of the best reasons you can have for choosing to use macOS and iOS.

Nothing compares to Safari when it comes to buttery smooth browsing experiences, world class security, privacy built-in, and obsessive attention to detail that delivers all of us a completely delightful experience every time.
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I disagree. I don't like Safari's handling of tabs. People on MR seem to automatically hate Chrome because it's by Google but I like Apple & Google and choose Chrome because it works best for me.
 
AppleWarrior said:
Seriously? I love the look of Safari, no doubt. And it is a good browser, but this adoration is unfounded. Safari stops working a lot. If you go to a website it will get stuck on its way there, and you have to shut the browser down and restart for it to operate normally again. And, if you had other tabs open that you navigated to throughout various searches, you lose them and have to find them again. This is extremely frustrating. Other browsers do not do this to me. So, I wouldn't call Safari a delightful experience every time, and that nothing compares to it.
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Same issue with the hanging and no fix in site.
 
theheadguy said:
It will happen. People will continue to use YouTube and will continue to access higher quality formats. If they have to choose between Safari and YouTube. They'll choose the latter...
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sorry, i wasnt clear. i meant safari adopting vp9 as a standard. unless he new A chips and intel chips have full VP9 hardware decoding, Apple will never adopt the VP9 standard.
 
randian said:
Kaby Lake has hardware VP9 decoding.
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No kaby lake macs exist.

And AX chips don't support vp9 hardware decoding.

Lastly, video editor software by Apple and software using the AVFoundation framework are optimized for H264.

So until Apple releases: kaby lake macs + iOS A-chips with vp9 hardware decoding + software and frameworks optimized for VP9, VP9 will not be adopted by Apple.

By that time, either HEVC will be standard, or VP9's successor AOMedia Video 1 will be a better fit.
 
domster83 said:
Its not an issue for Safari Technology Preview though, so it must be coming soon.
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Yes it is. I use both Safari and the Technology Preview, and they both have this issue. And it's frustrating because then I have to switch to Chrome, which I can barely run 4K videos on because Chrome is so inefficient. And it's only recent videos. I can still watch 4k videos on Safari, but they have to be a certain age. I'm actually kind of proud of myself because I hypothesized that VP9 was the reason for this.
 
hvfsl said:
I did a quick search on VP9 and found this on wiki:
Parts of the format are covered by patents held by Google. The company grants free usage of its own related patents based on reciprocity, i.e. as long as the user doesn't engage in patent litigations.[5]

I wonder if that means Apple can't use the codec while suing Samsung etc.
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Samsung is not Google.

chabig said:
It's open as in free to use, but not open source, right?
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Correct it's not open source
 
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